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Old December 24th, 2006, 10:27 PM   #61
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London may not be any San Fransisco but it sure isn't flat... Trust me, I cycle.

Anyway, Hurrah to Madrid for a phenominal bit of work... Much as I love London 4 Billion Euros wouldn't get you anything like as much...
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Old December 25th, 2006, 07:24 AM   #62
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Just comparing Metro construction costs..

LA and Toronto: $200 million/km

Madrid: $55 million/km

New Delhi: $30 million/km (65km for $2 billion, already constructed)
$35 million/km (55km for $2 billion, to begin construction)

Mumbai: $35 million/km (146km for $5 billion, to begin construction)

Bangalore: $35 million/km (33km for $1.2 billion, to begin construction)
I believe in Moscow it is around 50 mil/km.

Unfortunately they are not building in Moscow as much as in Madrid these days.
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Old December 26th, 2006, 10:45 AM   #63
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afair around $80mln/km
50mln/km is light metro

moscow will built 35km of heavy metro in next 3 year. 15km will be completed next year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_...xpansion_plans
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Old March 7th, 2007, 12:33 PM   #64
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afair around $80mln/km
50mln/km is light metro

moscow will built 35km of heavy metro in next 3 year. 15km will be completed next year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_...xpansion_plans
Ok, this means Moscow will stay the number two in Europe after London.
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Old March 8th, 2007, 10:04 AM   #65
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Regardless where they got the money, Madrid has done a very impressive job with their metro.

The new stations might not win architecture awards, but they are simple, clean, and practical. I have seen some underground stations that at the time were edgy and impressive to the architectural standards of the time, but that now look awfully anachronistic. Yet, simple and practical is always a good fit.
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Old March 9th, 2007, 05:01 PM   #66
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Amazing expansion by any means. Spain is doing extremely well in every economical sector the last decade.

Still, the most impressive factor is the low cost. How is this possible!
For comparison reasons do you have figures about Barcelona Subway?
Are they similar?
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Old March 9th, 2007, 06:24 PM   #67
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Wonderful! Madrid lo tiene todo!
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Old March 13th, 2007, 02:33 AM   #68
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Madrid's Metro is well equipped to attract business and population growth for far into the future. "If you build it they will come" is an expression long forgotten by governments when it comes to transport. Usually it's done the other way around these days Atleast Madrid got it right.

Could anyone explain to me why the Madrid Metro is much cheaper too construct than other cities mentioned in a previous post above??? Just doesn't make sense why other prosperous cities can't construct at the same pace???
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Old March 13th, 2007, 06:05 AM   #69
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I wish U.S cities would build their metros as fast as Madrid's.
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Old March 14th, 2007, 11:06 AM   #70
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Razones del éxito de la ampliación

Reasons of MADRID "Success" (?)


· 1.- Decisiones en 24 horas.

· 1.- Decisions in 24 hours.


· 2.- Realización del proyecto a cargo de Metro.

· 2.- Project management done by ourselves.


· 3.- Selección de los métodos constructivos más adecuados.

· 3.- Selection of construction methods.


· 4.- Resolver los problemas antes de que aparezcan.

· 4.- Solve disputes before they arise.


· 5.- Seguridad antesque coste o plazos.

· 5.- Safety before cost and time.


· 6.- Tuneladoras potentes.

( 25% más potentes que cualesquiera otras en el mundo)

· 6.- Extremely powerful tunnelling machines.


By Metro de Madrid
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Old March 14th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #71
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How about Madrid's next 'four year plan' (2007-2011)? Is there already some info about that? The current expansion plan is due to end this year - I suppose plans for further extensions have already been decided upon.
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Old March 15th, 2007, 09:59 PM   #72
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nodoby knows nothing about 2007-2011, but next week they are starting a new station for 2007-2011. in line 11. hehehe. everybody think madrid will make about 60km 2007-2011.......we will know in some weeks.......we have got elections in May.....so.....all political parties will tell us their plans
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Old March 18th, 2007, 04:22 AM   #73
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Razones del éxito de la ampliación

Reasons of MADRID "Success" (?)


· 1.- Decisiones en 24 horas.

· 1.- Decisions in 24 hours.


· 2.- Realización del proyecto a cargo de Metro.

· 2.- Project management done by ourselves.


· 3.- Selección de los métodos constructivos más adecuados.

· 3.- Selection of construction methods.


· 4.- Resolver los problemas antes de que aparezcan.

· 4.- Solve disputes before they arise.


· 5.- Seguridad antesque coste o plazos.

· 5.- Safety before cost and time.


· 6.- Tuneladoras potentes.

( 25% más potentes que cualesquiera otras en el mundo)

· 6.- Extremely powerful tunnelling machines.


By Metro de Madrid
I will spread the word
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Old March 18th, 2007, 01:36 PM   #74
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Please Madrid take over London underground... I'm green with envy!

It infuriates me that the 11-station Jubilee Line extension cost us 6 billion Euros 8 years ago, and yet you pulled off these world-leading developments for just 4 billion. London is one of the richest cities in one of the richest regions on the planet, and we can't even find the money for 200m of track to extend the Metropolitan Line to Watford Junction. Kudos to Madrid, anyway

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Old March 18th, 2007, 01:47 PM   #75
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I wouldn't be surprised if ground prices were much lower in Madrid than in London. Also, I don't really have the impression that there are that many public hearings to find out what the local population might think about a new project, let alone that there are powerful NIMBY-factions in Madrid that can hold these projects back for years and years to come.

Madrid - it seems - just builds. That can save you a helluva lotta money...
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Old March 18th, 2007, 01:55 PM   #76
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I wouldn't be surprised if ground prices were much lower in Madrid than in London. Also, I don't really have the impression that there are that many public hearings to find out what the local population might think about a new project, let alone that there are powerful NIMBY-factions in Madrid that can hold these projects back for years and years to come.

Madrid - it seems - just builds. That can save you a helluva lotta money...
Yes the trouble with London and a lot of other cities seems to be we love the consultation / planning stage so much that we spend decades and millions of pounds talking about of it before the first bit of soil is even dug (e.g. Crossrail). Just plan it, then build it for Christ's sake!!! Why does it need to take 10, 15 or 20 years?

There is always going to be opposition to anything, but we're talking about underground railways here, not bulldozing forests for housing or chucking up 300m skyscrapers next to cathedrals.

Go Madrid, anyway
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Old March 18th, 2007, 02:37 PM   #77
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Madrid's projects are truly amazing like its major Sir Gallardon
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Old March 18th, 2007, 03:30 PM   #78
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The success of Madrid is born of simplicity whereupon the entire project considered. Simple and practical stations, just as the tunnels and the movable material. Previous the direct one of Meter is a great admirer of the Japanese, which without a doubt has the best meter and railroad of the world. For the development of the extensions of Meter, also other works in Meters of the world studied, to avoid the errors in which they could fall and not repeat them. The success was so that the World Bank chose to Meter of Madrid like example for the performances that it subsidized in the future.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 03:51 PM   #79
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You probably meant 'Metro' instead of 'Meter'...

That notwithstanding, keeping things simple and learning from the mistakes of others is always the best solution to get good results for a relatively cheap price.
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nodoby knows nothing about 2007-2011, but next week they are starting a new station for 2007-2011. in line 11. hehehe. everybody think madrid will make about 60km 2007-2011.......we will know in some weeks.......we have got elections in May.....so.....all political parties will tell us their plans
And we're waiting...


Saludos from a Metro de Madrid fan in Scandinavia.
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