Which Beetham?

[Bachy Soletanche]

Manchester, Height (roof) 157.00 Spire Height 171.00 Total Floors (O.G) 50



Birmingham (Holloway Circus tower), Height (roof) 122.00 Spire Height 130.00 Total Floors (O.G) 40



Liverpool (the one that's already built), Height (roof) 90.00 Total Floors (O.G) 27


or

Liverpool Beetham West (the ones that getting built) Height (roof) 134.00 Spire Height 147.00 Total Floors (O.G) 40


And you can see the exciting one on the left

[Bachy Soletanche]

Some more pics, all taken by me.

Liverpool


Liverpool West


Birmingham


Manchester


Now personally, I'm not to keen on the Exciting Liverpool tower, but the new one looks good, but I'd rather wait until it's finished before ponficiating.
[cop-out] I like the Manchester and Birmingham equally[/cop-out]. I like the shape and the distance looming of the Manchester one, but I like the curves of the Birmingham one close up, and yes I even like the back.

So what do you lot think then?

[DaiB]

To be honest, I find it hard to genuinely like any of them, but if pushed I'd go for Manchester. It's sheer audacity appeals to me, even if the design doesn't.

The Birmingham one is over-designed in some aspects (fussy glazing) and underdesigned in others (the back - since when did 40-storey buildings HAVE a back?!) and as a result manages to miss out on being either really interesting or really elegant.

The less said about the original Liverpool one the better (was this really only built a couple of years ago!), although the new one looks rather more promising. Better placed on the skylnie too.

Hmmm, slightly negative post, but I do think that Mr Beetham has been a mixed blessing on our cities skylines, and whilst I don't expect to ever see one proposed for Cardiff, unlike most people I'd be quite happy about that.

[Jim]

I'm not sure I like the Ian Simpson ones (they haven't grown on me like I thought they would), so I voted for West.

Also, whilst the Manchester one is the biggest, I just can't say I'm a fan of the cantilever. I think it'd be better if it was one giant smooth obelisk.

[hammerb24]

I'm with Stephan on this one, I can't choose between the Manc and the Brummie ones, both very different and both very appealing on differing levels. Liverpool West looks as though it will take the crown so that's where my vote will go, reserve the right to change my mind if it's crap when finished though!

[Bachy Soletanche]

Another Image of Liverpool West


If you look at the build it's suprisinsly small in terms of floor size, I suspect that will make it look even more elegant, but I think it'll depend on the quaility of the cladding as to wether it'll be the best.


Also have another picture of Birmingham's Beetham looking protectivly over the two 90M "Dorothy Towers"

And the thing on the left has been cleaned recently, thank gawd...

[Biosonic]

For me, I think the new Liverpool one wins it.

How come you haven't included the proposed London one on the South Bank? The Boomerang?

It has recently been reduced in size...

[ROYAL BLUE]

I voted for Brum.
But on reflection i think i actually prefer liverpool's 2nd one. Its a better colour and sleeker design.

[wjfox]

West is best!

[oscar9]

Beetham Manchester, its the only 'real' scaper there i.e more than 150m according to international standards. Beetham west is a close second. Maybee I will change my mind when it is complete,it does look rather nice in the renders but should have been taller to impress me.

[Bachy Soletanche]

Originally Posted by Biosonic

How come you haven't included the proposed London one on the South Bank? The Boomerang?

It has recently been reduced in size...

Because London means nothing to me.


Either that or I forgot about it.

[Wirral]

I voted for the brum one first. then i'd go for Liverpool West then Manchester then the first Liverpool Beetham (which i really do think is a poor attempt of a building) sorry fellow liverpoolers.

[Tony Sebo]

I like them all. None of them will win any major international architectural prizes, but who gives a toss, they have all made definite contributions to eaach city's skyline have they not?

Even the first Liverpool Beetham was a relief, as it wqas not just another compromised 'in keeping' red brick, low rise design build lump of shite!.. in that context it seemed pretty classy..er, for a while!

[dups45]

Liverpool's beetham 1 was nice, but it looks jaded now compared to the newer ones, i voted for manchester, i just think it looks the most professional. I always remember my dad driving me into town when 1 was being built, and we were staggered by the amount of floors it has on it, bearing in mind i have never been to america. It was awesome to see something that high in liverpool, it sent a benchmark which others are aiming at now

[Sy]

I don't like any of them....

[Veinticinco]

Liverpool west, manc, brum, liverpool no1.

Liverpool no1 doesnt look great but without it I doubt west would be getting built, and neither would half of the northern cluster buildings.

Beetham manc is nice front on and has good height, but the cladding down the sides looks ugly in my opinion. The brum one is too colour saturated I think, theres something I dont like about the cladding. So that leaves West, great shape, nice height in relation to the footprint size - I think over 150m would look daft for such a skinny building.

[pauliewalnuts]

The second Liverpool one is the nicest by a mile.

Brum is average at best, and this is being generous (though controversially, I prefer the "back"), Manc is utterly uninspiring and characterless, the first Liverpool is actually quite horrible.

Brum and Manc both have horrible cladding, which will date really quickly.

[Bachy Soletanche]

And for those of you wondering what that looks like,

The back!

Also pictures of the Cladding on Beetham West (again)


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[Scarecrow]

FFS!!! It is BeeTham, not BeeCham. One does towers, the other does Lemsip.

[Scarecrow]