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Rapter · March 24th, 2011, 06:25 PM

According to the project, the tallest building will have 20 floors

Also it was mentioned, that one of those 3 buildings will have a hotel, so it won't really be only an office building

Rapter · March 25th, 2011, 11:54 AM

Also all further discussions about this project should be in this thread:
VILNIUS | Konstitucijos Avenue 21 | ?m | 20fl | Pro

FordFalcon · March 6th, 2012, 02:38 PM

Bonjour everyone Francis here

There is one of the most controversial architectural competition of the decade which is held at Nida, Curonian Spit.

HERE

Nida is a heart of Lithuanian identity, people are very touchy about this place when it comes to building a new symbol to replace the old Soviet structure. This is a very high-profile competition and there are whopping 28 participants submitted their work.

On the page above and a couple of other arch websites where people discussing about the submitted works. Why this competition is so controversial? It wasn't, as far as most people could tell, until the works were submitted.

The impressive rendering and concept ideas to blow people's mind. The judges will face difficult moment selecting the winners. But based on what? Many of the works did NOT meet the requirements outlined on the competition brief.

the points are roughly as below:

- the design must be unique and original and specific to natural Nida setting.

- the new design must not be hard in form and volume.

- the building cannot extend outside the given site boundary.

- the submission is blindfolded so that the judges won't know whose works they are until the winners have been chosen.

- the building must include ALL the functions listed in the brief and the functions must be the minimum dimensions outlined.

- it is a renovation project therefore the original structure need to be retained to certain extent rather than demolishing the existing structure completely.

As you can download and view the proposals that many offices utterly failed to meet the requirements.

Some offices utterly failed to meet the most fundamental point of being unique and original but shamelessly copied recently published designs by other big names in other parts of the world. That is discussed on the official site mentioned above and also HERE

So, those offices who copied or heavily borrowed other projects will be failed. Whether it was on the rule book or not plagiarism should not be tolerated especially it will be an icon of a nationally and internationally recognised symbolic location of Lithuania. Shame on you thieves!!

I can spot one or two proposals are outside the boundary whether they call the extended part an element of landscaping and if that excuse is acceptable. Probably they are failed.

A few offices happily removed the existing structure completely and put a new building on the site. Based on the rules outlined on the brief they will also be failed.

Also from the now very hot discussion someone pointed out that some offices "forgot" to remove the file data that contains their office names or easily identifiable nicknames, or a staff members' name. According to the rules they will be failed.

If, for whatever reasons, those violators of the strict competition rules will be selected as a winner other participants have three days to submit an official statement pointing out the items I mentioned above to counter the decisions made by the judges.

So what are your opinions??

Salut Francis

FordFalcon · March 13th, 2012, 03:05 PM

Hello people

There are official "favourites" published on the website of the architectural authorityy of Lithuania. The translated page is here

To everyone's surprise the panels did not drop those people who did not stick to the rules of the competition however removed four proposals for not complying with a rule which is rather strange. Those removed happened to have forgotten their digital id or incorrectly labelled their names on the PDF files thus revealing their ID for this blindfolded competition. Other people who were NOT removed from this competitions failed to meet a variety of rules set by the brief so the big discussions continue.

Apart from completely demolishing the existing structures and placing a new building or two on the site (this was clearly a competition for a renovation proposal) the most favourite (their score system is bizarre, the smaller the number the more favoured) is guaranteed to stir the emotions of the German tourists who colonise the town of Nida every summer. One comment I saw on this site had links to a building in Berlin, more specifically Tränenpalast at Friedrichstrasse S-Bahn station. The proposal resembles very much of the Tränenpalast building, whether the designer knew or thought about it. Whether this design will stay as the most favourite of all proposals it will be very upsetting to the vast majority of the German tourists who flock to this part of the world which used to belong to them.

The rest of the preferred proposals are ordered by how Soviet they look the better. The Soviet brutalism, cubism and expo designs from the 1960s were still the panels' preferred forms and volumes and they commented very "unique and original". Other more contemporary designs were heavily borrowed from building designs of 2008 Zaragoza expo.

I now can see most people are unhappy with the competition organisation of the competition itself rather than particular proposals. It's now assumed that the whole things is a sham. What do you think??

Francis : )

taimis · March 13th, 2012, 03:36 PM

I wouldn't say its a sham, obviously there are going to be those who are disappointed, although I'll admit some of the criteria where a bit weird.

Here are the top 3 for the time being, we'll see what the final decision is.

1. 419749 (2,11 balo)

2. 093121 (2,78)

3. 477364 (3,47)

mwanamwiwa · March 13th, 2012, 11:53 PM

Greetings from Kenya.I was lured here by a story on aljazeera and I have been browsing your forum for the last 2 hours.Interesting country Lithuania.

taimis · March 14th, 2012, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwanamwiwa

Greetings from Kenya.I was lured here by a story on aljazeera and I have been browsing your forum for the last 2 hours.Interesting country Lithuania.

Hi there! What story was this?

vilniusguide · March 14th, 2012, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taimis

Hi there! What story was this?

Google suggested me, that this was a story how 1/6 of Lithuania emigrated abroad, 17% unemployment and how the country is severely hit by crisis for some 20 years.

RokasLT · March 15th, 2012, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vilniusguide

Google suggested me, that this was a story how 1/6 of Lithuania emigrated abroad, 17% unemployment and how the country is severely hit by crisis for some 20 years.

Yeah in our mindes

vilniusguide · March 15th, 2012, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RokasLT

Yeah in our mindes

Why? I don't have such minds, do You?

RokasLT · March 16th, 2012, 11:56 AM

Most people does, sadly

FordFalcon · March 16th, 2012, 02:35 PM

But this competition clearly shows that the senior old farts of the Lithuanian architects union seem to be deeply but comfortably stuck in the 1960s - the peak of the Soviet Union architecture. The young creative people have left the country and the students who currently study architecture are kind of lost.

F.

El Dee · July 17th, 2012, 03:08 PM

I'm not sure if I'm in the right topic, because I've just registrated myself to this forum. But I've been to Lithuania last year (to Vilnius and to Kaunas) and I must say that I was impressed by the beauty of these cities. One friend of my is still going to Vilnius sometimes and told me that they are building a new hall for party's and stuff like that. Something like the current Siemens Arena, but bigger. Is there anyone who can tell me more about this building, maybe some pictures?

taimis · July 17th, 2012, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Dee

I'm not sure if I'm in the right topic, because I've just registrated myself to this forum. But I've been to Lithuania last year (to Vilnius and to Kaunas) and I must say that I was impressed by the beauty of these cities. One friend of my is still going to Vilnius sometimes and told me that they are building a new hall for party's and stuff like that. Something like the current Siemens Arena, but bigger. Is there anyone who can tell me more about this building, maybe some pictures?

Hi and welcome! Nice to see the Netherlands represented! Unfortunately I dont know exactly which project you might be thinking of.

El Dee · July 17th, 2012, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taimis

Hi and welcome! Nice to see the Netherlands represented! Unfortunately I dont know exactly which project you might be thinking of.

Thanks

Yeah, I just saw a link from this forum so I'd signed up.
I don't know it either, but a friend told me about it. I will ask him for more information. He's going back often to Vilnius and know many people there. I want to go back as well, but not possible at this moment unfortunately.

One more question: at the main square in Vilnius, there's a large building with pilars. What is this kind of place? Is this the town hall of Vilnius? Because I've seen some people having a wedding as well, but that might took place in one those churches too.

bleetz · July 19th, 2012, 06:53 PM

There are two 'main squares' in Vilnius, the cathedral square and the town hall square. The building with pillars near the cathedral square is the cathedral, while the building with pillars near the town hall square is the town hall

El Dee · July 20th, 2012, 03:15 PM

Allright, thank you. Yes I know the cathedral sqaure, which is close to the gedimino prospektas but I meant the other one you just said

It's really nice. Luxury shops there as well.

Index_LT · July 21st, 2012, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Dee

Allright, thank you. Yes I know the cathedral sqaure, which is close to the gedimino prospektas but I meant the other one you just said

It's really nice. Luxury shops there as well.

That's a Town hall square. Both of them are built in neoclassical style (And by the same architect

) so they both have the facades with columns.

It's this one.

http://www.vilnius1.com/i/rotusesaikste3.jpg

El Dee · July 21st, 2012, 09:30 PM

Yes exactly, nice picture. It's quite simple, but real classy and wonderfull. Just like the rest of the city, it really impressed me. Didn't expect it. Will go back for a study for 5 months, but maybe a short visit before as well. I'd like to visit the television tower.

Too bad that I only have some pictures with my cellphone, because those retards in Sweden forgot my luggage so I had no charger (tip for the next time: don't check in my charger :P).

Pansori · August 10th, 2012, 11:00 PM

New visuals of Grand Office project in the Western part of Vilnius (3 km away from city center).

The tower will have 21 storeys and will be 81m high making it the 6th tallest highrise building in the capital.

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March 24th, 2011, 06:25 PM	#261
Rapter Advanced Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vilnius/ Limerick Posts: 257 Likes (Received): 3	According to the project, the tallest building will have 20 floors Also it was mentioned, that one of those 3 buildings will have a hotel, so it won't really be only an office building

March 25th, 2011, 11:54 AM	#262
Rapter Advanced Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vilnius/ Limerick Posts: 257 Likes (Received): 3	Also all further discussions about this project should be in this thread: VILNIUS \| Konstitucijos Avenue 21 \| ?m \| 20fl \| Pro

March 6th, 2012, 02:38 PM	#263
FordFalcon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 15 Likes (Received): 0	Bonjour everyone Francis here There is one of the most controversial architectural competition of the decade which is held at Nida, Curonian Spit. HERE Nida is a heart of Lithuanian identity, people are very touchy about this place when it comes to building a new symbol to replace the old Soviet structure. This is a very high-profile competition and there are whopping 28 participants submitted their work. On the page above and a couple of other arch websites where people discussing about the submitted works. Why this competition is so controversial? It wasn't, as far as most people could tell, until the works were submitted. The impressive rendering and concept ideas to blow people's mind. The judges will face difficult moment selecting the winners. But based on what? Many of the works did NOT meet the requirements outlined on the competition brief. the points are roughly as below: - the design must be unique and original and specific to natural Nida setting. - the new design must not be hard in form and volume. - the building cannot extend outside the given site boundary. - the submission is blindfolded so that the judges won't know whose works they are until the winners have been chosen. - the building must include ALL the functions listed in the brief and the functions must be the minimum dimensions outlined. - it is a renovation project therefore the original structure need to be retained to certain extent rather than demolishing the existing structure completely. As you can download and view the proposals that many offices utterly failed to meet the requirements. Some offices utterly failed to meet the most fundamental point of being unique and original but shamelessly copied recently published designs by other big names in other parts of the world. That is discussed on the official site mentioned above and also HERE So, those offices who copied or heavily borrowed other projects will be failed. Whether it was on the rule book or not plagiarism should not be tolerated especially it will be an icon of a nationally and internationally recognised symbolic location of Lithuania. Shame on you thieves!! I can spot one or two proposals are outside the boundary whether they call the extended part an element of landscaping and if that excuse is acceptable. Probably they are failed. A few offices happily removed the existing structure completely and put a new building on the site. Based on the rules outlined on the brief they will also be failed. Also from the now very hot discussion someone pointed out that some offices "forgot" to remove the file data that contains their office names or easily identifiable nicknames, or a staff members' name. According to the rules they will be failed. If, for whatever reasons, those violators of the strict competition rules will be selected as a winner other participants have three days to submit an official statement pointing out the items I mentioned above to counter the decisions made by the judges. So what are your opinions?? Salut Francis

March 13th, 2012, 03:05 PM	#264
FordFalcon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 15 Likes (Received): 0	Hello people There are official "favourites" published on the website of the architectural authorityy of Lithuania. The translated page is here To everyone's surprise the panels did not drop those people who did not stick to the rules of the competition however removed four proposals for not complying with a rule which is rather strange. Those removed happened to have forgotten their digital id or incorrectly labelled their names on the PDF files thus revealing their ID for this blindfolded competition. Other people who were NOT removed from this competitions failed to meet a variety of rules set by the brief so the big discussions continue. Apart from completely demolishing the existing structures and placing a new building or two on the site (this was clearly a competition for a renovation proposal) the most favourite (their score system is bizarre, the smaller the number the more favoured) is guaranteed to stir the emotions of the German tourists who colonise the town of Nida every summer. One comment I saw on this site had links to a building in Berlin, more specifically Tränenpalast at Friedrichstrasse S-Bahn station. The proposal resembles very much of the Tränenpalast building, whether the designer knew or thought about it. Whether this design will stay as the most favourite of all proposals it will be very upsetting to the vast majority of the German tourists who flock to this part of the world which used to belong to them. The rest of the preferred proposals are ordered by how Soviet they look the better. The Soviet brutalism, cubism and expo designs from the 1960s were still the panels' preferred forms and volumes and they commented very "unique and original". Other more contemporary designs were heavily borrowed from building designs of 2008 Zaragoza expo. I now can see most people are unhappy with the competition organisation of the competition itself rather than particular proposals. It's now assumed that the whole things is a sham. What do you think?? Francis : )

March 13th, 2012, 03:36 PM	#265
taimis ¬¬ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK, AT, LT Posts: 225 Likes (Received): 5	I wouldn't say its a sham, obviously there are going to be those who are disappointed, although I'll admit some of the criteria where a bit weird. Here are the top 3 for the time being, we'll see what the final decision is. 1. 419749 (2,11 balo) 2. 093121 (2,78) 3. 477364 (3,47)

March 16th, 2012, 11:56 AM	#271
RokasLT Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,384 Likes (Received): 11	Most people does, sadly

March 16th, 2012, 02:35 PM	#272
FordFalcon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 15 Likes (Received): 0	But this competition clearly shows that the senior old farts of the Lithuanian architects union seem to be deeply but comfortably stuck in the 1960s - the peak of the Soviet Union architecture. The young creative people have left the country and the students who currently study architecture are kind of lost. F.

July 17th, 2012, 03:08 PM	#273
El Dee Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Den Haag (The Hague) Posts: 136 Likes (Received): 14	I'm not sure if I'm in the right topic, because I've just registrated myself to this forum. But I've been to Lithuania last year (to Vilnius and to Kaunas) and I must say that I was impressed by the beauty of these cities. One friend of my is still going to Vilnius sometimes and told me that they are building a new hall for party's and stuff like that. Something like the current Siemens Arena, but bigger. Is there anyone who can tell me more about this building, maybe some pictures?

July 20th, 2012, 03:15 PM	#277
El Dee Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Den Haag (The Hague) Posts: 136 Likes (Received): 14	Allright, thank you. Yes I know the cathedral sqaure, which is close to the gedimino prospektas but I meant the other one you just said It's really nice. Luxury shops there as well.

July 21st, 2012, 09:30 PM	#279
El Dee Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Den Haag (The Hague) Posts: 136 Likes (Received): 14	Yes exactly, nice picture. It's quite simple, but real classy and wonderfull. Just like the rest of the city, it really impressed me. Didn't expect it. Will go back for a study for 5 months, but maybe a short visit before as well. I'd like to visit the television tower. Too bad that I only have some pictures with my cellphone, because those retards in Sweden forgot my luggage so I had no charger (tip for the next time: don't check in my charger :P).