Canopus l Greengate l 165m & 111m l 46 and 31 floors l Cancelled

[kids]

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[chompo44]

I might be the only one with this point of view, but i have a problem with stone or brick cladding on tall buildings. Its inherantly false as it couldn't be built that tall out of the material it is clad with.
the same goes for brickwork with invisible lintels, it doesn't quite sit right
concrete on the other hand would do the job structuraly and look right, as you would expect it to be holding the building up

[BeardedGenius]

I've heard they'll be no stairs or lifts in the tower, and instead people will have to use the external ladders to move between floors. Can anyone confirm this?

[Architecty]

Bewildered how anyone who claims to like skyscrapers can not like this, tis the bollocks (and that is a technical term I’ll have you know).

I don’t think I particularly like it more than the previous incarnation, but I certainly like it as much; a very successful development of the design. Arca have done a blinding job. I share everyone’s sentiments at concern regarding BSC, but I am starting to hope that if he doesn’t have the resource to build these schemes himself, he is investing all this money and effort in the designs and planning in order to sell them on as a going concern, to someone who does have the resources/ability to put them up.

Everything crossed; after all the positive things have heard about Eastgate and Crown at CUBE, lets hope that the gods smile on Manchester/Salford and get all of these badboys up. So many very exciting schemes all over the city, please let at least most of them happen. Then we will have a skyline to really shout about.

[mikeboss]

Does annybody know the official height of this and the podium and is it all Residential.

[Architecty]

Originally Posted by chompo44

I might be the only one with this point of view, but i have a problem with stone or brick cladding on tall buildings. Its inherantly false as it couldn't be built that tall out of the material it is clad with.
the same goes for brickwork with invisible lintels, it doesn't quite sit right
concrete on the other hand would do the job structuraly and look right, as you would expect it to be holding the building up

I do understand your sentiment Chompo, but even if it was clad with concrete panels they almost certainly wouldn’t be structural on a modern building; you could take the view that to use concrete to try and appear as that was holding the building up was equally “untruthful”. In any case Mr Issa apparently has a penchant for sourcing his materials in China to get them super cheap and generally show off about how much of a property player he is; considering BSC may not have anything to do with the finished product it could easily turn into concrete, but is it really so bad if it was beautifully finished in stone? Most Victorian/Edwardian/early modernist buildings “lie” about their construction, it is possible to get overly precious about the ideology of it all.

[chompo44]

Originally Posted by Architecty

I do understand your sentiment Chompo, but even if it was clad with concrete panels they almost certainly wouldn’t be structural on a modern building; you could take the view that to use concrete to try and appear as that was holding the building up was equally “untruthful”. In any case Mr Issa apparently has a penchant for sourcing his materials in China to get them super cheap and generally show off about how much of a property player he is; considering BSC may not have anything to do with the finished product it could easily turn into concrete, but is it really so bad if it was beautifully finished in stone? Most Victorian/Edwardian/early modernist buildings “lie” about their construction, it is possible to get overly precious about the ideology of it all.

I agree, its only lowrise structures of a certain age that wear their structure on their sleeve.
A decent stone cladding will look pretty good on this one, i would just prefer some of the buildings strength applied to these large panels, and feel concrete would be more relevant.
As for Mr Issa, I believe that his attempts to outsource and save money are having the reverse effect and hence the delays on his projects

[Manchester Planner]

Originally Posted by mikeboss

Does annybody know the official height of this and the podium and is it all Residential.

No - anyone got access to the planning application? Should give us all the details (as it is a full one).

[Caiman]

BSC. Shame.

The towers look nice though, I hope they see the light of day.

[dirtyred619]

Originally Posted by Manchester Planner

No - anyone got access to the planning application? Should give us all the details (as it is a full one).

Does'nt appear to be online yet, if its gone in today as mentioned (hopefully!) and knowing Salford Council, I would'nt expect to see it until mid next week.

I love the height, I love the position but I deteste the cladding. An absolute horror.

"Oh come and look at my view"

....

"Not bad. But why do you have a ladder covering your window?"

[STUBBY]

This reminds me of the sixties tower block my friend lives in. I wonder what all those white bits are for on the outside? Won't they get in the way if you're looking through the window? I don't think my mate would like those white thingys spoiling his view anyway, and they might get rusty!

It doesn't have much going for it does it?

[Chogmook]

Originally Posted by SimLim

I love the height, I love the position but I deteste the cladding. An absolute horror.

"Oh come and look at my view"

....

"Not bad. But why do you have a ladder covering your window?"

Now you see, us in Manchester, we like renders of our buildings not too impressive, as it actually makes the real finished product look better, which i believe it will be.

It will NOT be anything like Orion in Birmingham, where you truly got one big (well mid-rise) turd of a building.

Have faith in this one!

[skymann]

Originally Posted by SimLim

I love the height, I love the position but I deteste the cladding. An absolute horror.

I also like the height, I think it's in the wrong place - looms over the medieval cathedral in a distasteful way - the cladding is vile. It's location too near the cathedral and the truly awful cladding and colour will spoil the views in this northern corner of Manchester city centre - well forever if the bugger gets built - just like the awful North Tower did when they allowed that to be built in the 60s. Tall buildings I love but not in sensitive locations and then if they have to be built then only something of the best quality. I wouldn't even want to see Beetham or Eastgate tower built in this location, but this thing - well it's just gonna be hated - even more than the Arndale tower. In 10 years time (if it gets built and if it's BSC it won't be) Mancunians will be voting this the biggest eyesore in the city (the Arndale tower and City Tower will be relieved).

[Manc Guy]

I also like the height, I think it's in the wrong place - looms over the medieval cathedral in a distasteful way - the cladding is vile. It's location too near the cathedral and the truly awful cladding and colour will spoil the views in this northern corner of Manchester city centre - well forever if the bugger gets built - just like the awful North Tower did when they allowed that to be built in the 60s. Tall buildings I love but not in sensitive locations and then if they have to be built then only something of the best quality. I wouldn't even want to see Beetham or Eastgate tower built in this location, but this thing - well it's just gonna be hated - even more than the Arndale tower. In 10 years time (if it gets built and if it's BSC it won't be) Mancunians will be voting this the biggest eyesore in the city (the Arndale tower and City Tower will be relieved).

I think it's location is pefrect!



To say it looms over the catherdral, I really cant see how it does? It looms over Tempus thats for sure. I think the shot with the Cathedral looks very exciting, all these towers spaced out will soon enough be working in Manchester's favour and I see nothing wrong in that happening.

I cant make my mind up on the cladding, those ladder grill things should go if anything.

[cottonopolis]

I was getting worried for a second there - couldn´t believe everyone seemed to love this so much. Glad to see others have reservations about this. Theres just something fundamentally wrong with the mix and choice of cladding.

[Caiman]

Don't worry, it's not as if it's actually going to be built.

[cottonopolis]

True...

[Manc Guy]

That shot looks so over exagerated...

[delores]

Originally Posted by cottonopolis

I was getting worried for a second there - couldn´t believe everyone seemed to love this so much. Glad to see others have reservations about this. Theres just something fundamentally wrong with the mix and choice of cladding.

Why? It seems perfectly ok to me? I think it could be a great addition to this area , my only reservation is that the tower stops abruptly , there seems to be an unwritten rule that every new tower built in manchester or england for that matter should not be crowned with something interesting? or atleast its mass is reduced as it touches the sky.