Indigenous Tribes of the Philippines

[TheAvenger]

Originally Posted by dinabaw

what's the pic about thats' porn yan noong alaw

if i am not mistaken even today the photos and cultural film of indigenous people is not considered porn. that's why few years ago some bold stars can bare everything without being censored by in cultural films. parang ganoon ang nabasa ko dati.

[bukid]

Originally Posted by TheAvenger

Ok I alread edited and just put the web link.

Btw Lapu Lapu is a Muslim, a Tausug.

The battle of Mactan should be commemorated every year and our Muslim brothers should be proud that the first hero of the Filipino people is a Muslim – a Tausug – the famous fierce defender of freedom and sovereignty



http://www.bangsamoro.info/modules/w...p?articleid=33

according to many researchers lapulapu as a tausug is only a claim without strong factual basis because local traditions would point to borneo as the origin of lapulapu and borneo is inhabited by tribes that practice the tradition of tattooing their body and based on local traditions, lapulapu believed in nature spirits and not in an allah. that is also the reason why the spanish friars reportedly saw the natives worshipping anitos. if they found a muslim they would be able to identify them because they are familiar with the moors who ruled southern spain for centuries.

and many researchers don't think the tausug claim is true because it is also human nature and in the culture of many race to take credit for the achievements of someone who is famous and known to be great and lapulapu at that time was famous throughout the southern achipelago because he succeeded in killing a white man.

the story about rajah soliman could be found in the site you posted about limahong.

http://www.elaput.org/portslam.htm

Nuong 1570, pagkaraan lamang ng 50 taon, si Rajah Soliman at si Rajah Laja (ang tinawag na Rajah Matanda) ang dinatnan ng mga Espanyol na haghahari sa Manila. Ang mag-tio ay kapwa anak-anak (descendants) ni Dayang Kalangitan, ang babaing pinuno ng Bitukan Manok (lungsod ng Pasig ngayon) at asawa ni Gat Lontok, nuong bandang 1450. Na babae ang pinuno, at dayang at gat ang mga parangal, - lahat ay patunay na galing sila sa mga unang tao sa Sumatra, tinawag na mga Minang kabau, at lumikas sila sa Pilipinas halos 2,000 taon sa nakaraan - bago ginamit ang mga parangal na datu at rajah sa Sumatra.

according to their research manila was conquered by the sultanate of brunei, but they were later replaced by a group that is led by rajah matanda believed to be decendants of minangkerbau of indonesia who settled in the philippines years before the minangkerbau were islamized in indonesia.

[TheAvenger]

pag sumama ako sa Balik Islam ang gagawin kong bagong pangalan ay
jibrael bin sulaiman


By Johnna Villaviray, Senior Reporter

(First of Three Parts)

When the television reporter Richard Rivera stepped onto the Sulu pier, one thing was on his mind: send stories to Manila about efforts to recover the Abu Sayyaf’s 19 Sipadan hostages.

By the end of the six-week assignment, Rivera brought home not just war stories but a new faith as well.

Now answering to the name Abdurahman Ismail, Rivera has resigned from the network and is now helping to organize rallies to raise civic awareness. He says he doesn’t miss his fast life as a reporter and its perks—booze, payola and girls.

“Before I became a Muslim, the focus was on money, how to get ahead in life. But now, I ask myself, ‘What’s all that for? Isn’t salvation what’s important?’” Rivera said.

Rivera is one of the thousands of former Christians who “reverted” to Islam since the 1990s. The Office of Muslim Affairs estimates that at least 20,000 Balik Islam, or “reverts” as they like to be called, live in traditionally Catholic Luzon. They call themselves “reverts” rather than converts on the premise that everyone was born a Muslim.

You may read further on below web link :


http://www.manilatimes.net/others/sp...31117spe1.html

[manileño]

Originally Posted by TheAvenger

The Office of Muslim Affairs estimates that at least 20,000 Balik Islam, or “reverts” as they like to be called, live in traditionally Catholic Luzon. They call themselves “reverts” rather than converts on the premise that everyone was born a Muslim.

I think this is entirely false. Taking Mindanao as an example alone, only the Sulu archipelago and the west-central portions fell to Islam. Cos like the Manobos, Bagobos, Samals, and the rest of the tribes that still occupy the majority of Mindanao, we were all animist. We converted to Christianity and they didn't. Neither did they embrace the Sultan's religion. They remained lumad. The Muslims were prevented from extending further from what ARMM is today. We're no different from the Pacific islanders who believed in anitos until the cross came.

[abskess]

Originally Posted by kiretoce

Thanks for the clarification!

your most welcome bro

[abskess]

Originally Posted by dinabaw

thanks sir abs so why the word Moslem is used in other region?

ok maybe thta's why the Moslem is being use moslty by western people ?

Its just corruptions of the correct word sir ambie...Parang Davao gud, usahay Dabaw, usahay Dabao....

[dinabaw]

yes i also got an answer today from Jun(moslemen) it's only the spelling its all the same . thanks ,

OT:btw don't forget our amul2x tomorrow

[TheAvenger]

Originally Posted by manileño

I think this is entirely false. Taking Mindanao as an example alone, only the Sulu archipelago and the west-central portions fell to Islam. Cos like the Manobos, Bagobos, Samals, and the rest of the tribes that still occupy the majority of Mindanao, we were all animist. We converted to Christianity and they didn't. Neither did they embrace the Sultan's religion. They remained lumad. The Muslims were prevented from extending further from what ARMM is today. We're no different from the Pacific islanders who believed in anitos until the cross came.

You have misunderstood completelly the postings from the Office of the Muslim Affairs... this is about the Balik-Islam movement or the "Reverts" ... these were the Filipino Christians from Luzon and the Visayan who work in the Middle East as OFW for many years and they returned to our country no longer a Christians but a Muslims. Later their families here who was left behind later converted to Muslim too.

Balik-Islam movement is the by product of our OFW and Pinoy Diaspora... btw there is nothing wrong for a Christian to became a Muslim. The God of the Jew, Christian, and Muslim were the same God. El Shaddai ,,,, Jehovah... and Allah were the same " God the father " of the Christians. Jesus is the son.

Abraham of the Christian Bible and Jew Torah is Ibrahim in Islam Koran.
Joseph of the Jew and Christian is the Yusof of the Muslim, etc.

Robin Padilla also converted to Muslim, there was one Millionaire in Greenhills San Juan who converted also to Muslim, Major Dolorfino of the NCR command is a former Catholic who converted to Islam religion.

[TheAvenger]

Originally Posted by manileño

I think this is entirely false. Taking Mindanao as an example alone, only the Sulu archipelago and the west-central portions fell to Islam. Cos like the Manobos, Bagobos, Samals, and the rest of the tribes that still occupy the majority of Mindanao, we were all animist. We converted to Christianity and they didn't. Neither did they embrace the Sultan's religion. They remained lumad. The Muslims were prevented from extending further from what ARMM is today. We're no different from the Pacific islanders who believed in anitos until the cross came.

What the Office of the Muslim Affairs is saying is that the Tagalog region, Kapampangan, and other parts of Central Luzon and or Northern Luzon was of Islamic faith before the Spaniards controlled Manila in about 1574. And it was a documented fact.

Even the Batanggenyo is still saying " Allah eh " . Also the great-great-granfather of former
Senator Doy Laurel is a Muslim Datu from Brunei.. It was mentioned in the book of Francia Rumualdes re Marcos Dictatorship.

So those people from Luzon when they converted to Islam religion is called Balik Islam or Reverts since their ancestors were former Muslim.

Of course the Lumads ( non-Christian tribes) if they converted to Islam religion, they cannot be called a Balik Islam or Reverts because they were former pagans or animist.... they shall be called "Converts"

.

[abskess]

Originally Posted by dinabaw

yes i also got an answer today from Jun(moslemen) it's only the spelling its all the same . thanks ,

OT:btw don't forget our amul2x tomorrow

saan pala venue natin sir ambie?

[Louman]

Say, are there any openly Muslim people on national TV (as broadcasted from Manila, not from a specific region) wearing a hijab or the cap men usually wear? I know they're only 5-10 % of the nation. I'm sure ABS CBN doesn't have any judging from what is shown on TFC (unless I'm missing something here...) and I don't know much about GMA since I don't have GMA Pinoy TV yet.

[bukid]

Originally Posted by TheAvenger

What the Office of the Muslim Affairs is saying is that the Tagalog region, Kapampangan, and other parts of Central Luzon and or Northern Luzon was of Islamic faith before the Spaniards controlled Manila in about 1574. And it was a documented fact.

Even the Batanggenyo is still saying " Allah eh " . Also the great-great-granfather of former
Senator Doy Laurel is a Muslim Datu from Brunei.. It was mentioned in the book of Francia Rumualdes re Marcos Dictatorship.

So those people from Luzon when they converted to Islam religion is called Balik Islam or Reverts since their ancestors were former Muslim.

Of course the Lumads ( non-Christian tribes) if they converted to Islam religion, they cannot be called a Balik Islam or Reverts because they were former pagans or animist.... they shall be called "Converts"

.

Some research also discovered that manila was conquered at one time by the sultanate of brunei but the whole island of luzon didn't become islamized and even those conquerors sent to conquer manila were of different origin and some were thought to be hindu mercenaries. traces of the tattoo culture from the visayas to luzon is proof that islam was not able to penetrate these areas because islam prohibits tattooing the body.

Muslim call it "balik islam" because they believe Adam was muslim and so everyone is born a muslim because the first man was a muslim.

By the way, if the ancestors of the people who live in luzon were muslims (practicing muslims and not by association with adam), that would mean that muslims all over the world are duty-bound by their religion to take it back for islam and it's not just by convincing everyone to become muslim. it's to install a muslim government because in islam, religion and politics are one. you cannot separate them.

So that would be like inviting radical muslims to send suicide bombers to manila and luzon to take it back by force because convincing manilans and luzonians to "revert" to islam would be difficult and even if they succeed, that would still take centuries.

[dinabaw]

Originally Posted by abskess

saan pala venue natin sir ambie?

OT: sa Torres pero la pang definite place txt txt lang ta

[TheAvenger]

Originally Posted by bukid

Some research also discovered that manila was conquered at one time by the sultanate of brunei but the whole island of luzon didn't become islamized and even those conquerors sent to conquer manila were of different origin and some were thought to be hindu mercenaries. traces of the tattoo culture from the visayas to luzon is proof that islam was not able to penetrate these areas because islam prohibits tattooing the body.

Muslim call it "balik islam" because they believe Adam was muslim and so everyone is born a muslim because the first man was a muslim.

By the way, if the ancestors of the people who live in luzon were muslims (practicing muslims and not by association with adam), that would mean that muslims all over the world are duty-bound by their religion to take it back for islam and it's not just by convincing everyone to become muslim. it's to install a muslim government because in islam, religion and politics are one. you cannot separate them.

So that would be like inviting radical muslims to send suicide bombers to manila and luzon to take it back by force because convincing manilans and luzonians to "revert" to islam would be difficult and even if they succeed, that would still take centuries.

well that is your view .... and you are free to say your view.

about radical muslim .... radicalism of Islams started in the Arab world because of Western imperialism. Almost all Palestinians were displaced in their land which they occupy for a thousand years....when the British and the Americans have influenced the United Nation to give Palestine to the so-called Jewish survivor of the Holocaust. Those Jews who settled Palestine which was renamed Israel were the descendants of the Wandering Jews who left Israel more than 2,000 years ago. And since their Jew ancestors left Palestine 2,000 years ago and intermarried with Europeans (mainly Germans and Russians) the Jews who came back to established the State of Israel cannot be called Jew as defined by blood. So this Jewish problems plus the British colonial rule in the Arab word was the root of the radicalism of the Muslim Arabs.

While the radicalism of our Muslim Filipinos can be traced in their histories of sufferings and injustices under the hands of the Spaniards and American colonizer. The other reasons for the radicalim of our brother Filipino Muslim was the lost of their ancestral lands to the Christians settlers from Luzon and the Visayas. The Americans started this transmigration of Christian settlers from Luzon and Visayas to MIndanao and after the Japanese War (WW II) the Philippine government embarked on grandscale transmigration of Christians to Mindanao backed by our Armed Forces.


[QUOTE] So that would be like inviting radical muslims to send suicide bombers to manila and luzon to take it back by force because convincing manilans and luzonians to "revert" to islam would be difficult and even if they succeed, that would still take centuries [QUOTE]

how can you arrive on that conclusion that because of the Balik Islam movement, it will invite radical muslims to send suicide bombers to Manila and Luzon. that is like parroting the American propaganda about muslims since the terrorist who bombed the Twin Tower in New York were muslim Arabs.

there is no points of sayings this statement " convincing manilans and luzonians to "revert" to islam would be difficult and even if they succeed, that would still take centuries "
when Muslim from Mindanao or Sulu does not even started proselytizing their religions in Luzon, they were more interested in selling DVDs and carpets from Manila to Baguio and perhaps till Aparri Cagayan.

Those Christians from some part of Luzon became a Muslim "Revert" after their stint of a couple of years in the Middle East as OFW.

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Pls note that my arguments that Tagalogs and Kapampangans (and perhaps some part of Northern Luzon) were of Muslim religion before and related to the Sultanate of Sulu as per documentted history, was to rebutt the points of MILF that Bangsa Moro nation is of different culture from the Christian Filipino hence they have to established a sepate nation.

[bukid]

the conflict in the middle east is centuries old. and if we are only to go back to the claim for those land. we can also say that the land do not really belong to the arabs because they took it, grab it from the jews when they conquered the place. and the jews took it from the canaanites. and whether those jews are just halfbreed jews or pure breed jews. their ancestors would not have migrated to other places if they were not driven out of their land. we must also take note that even mecca have had jewish settlements but they were driven out of their land when islam took root.

as for muslim filipinos, according to our NCCA, there were only 3 sultanates in the philippines and they are only found in the west of mindanao. the subanon lumads as well as the lumad bajao and many more were the original settlers of some of those places but were driven out of their land because of muslim expansion. the stronger muslim tribes took away what was their ancestral land. so some of them just migrated to the east of mindanao. and that is where you would now find the concentration of lumads who practice the religion of the anitos. the people who really lost so much are the lumads because their land are being taken away from them both by the christians and the muslims, until now they are still fighting for their ancestral domain because the muslims want the entire mindanao as part of bangsamoro and the christians on the other are encroaching on their ancestral land.

you can even research on the history of the 3 philippine sultanate and the dates of their existence, the extent of their domain when they became muslim sultanates and the history of western colonization in those areas. and also look into the history of the lumads of mindanao because that's not just my view, it is taken from the views of people who study our history and you can check it at this site:

http://www.ncca.gov.ph/about_cultart...ommittee_Id=20

the writer i presume is muslim, but it is also good to look for other cross references and sources. see if they match. again, it's not my view, i based it from what our own NCCA and people who had research into our history and i just studied the dates, the maps, the circumstances and the culture of the people and post it here because i can see that it match all the other information in the other credible sources.

as for the suicide bombers, i'm not speaking of radical filipinos but the radical non-filipino muslims who believe that they should retake all the lands that had once been ruled by muslims and put them under shariah rule.

i remember watching one television show that talks about these radical muslims. i can't remember if it was Discovery channel or CNN or ANC. but that was what they were discussing as to why arabs wants jews out of the land israel. it is because they claim that it is a muslim land.

and since you says "perhaps some part of luzon". it only show that we are not sure. because even china can say that the spratly is part of their empire because their annals mentioned about chinese fishermen fishing in the spratlys.

in the same manner the sultanate of sulu can claim any parts that is beyond their domain and say that it is also their domain even if they don't really have an actual sovereignty over it. even the northern part of palawan had already been settled by lumads when the sultanate of brunei lay claim to it.

by the way, i tried to read about radical islam, and i discovered that radical islam had been there even before the british colonial rule in the arab world. muslims were already terrorizing and killing each other from the time of the first caliph till the present. the shia-sunni war had been going on for centuries. if they were not fighting a common non-muslim enemy, they'd be fighting each other.

[TheAvenger]

If we go back farther in the history you will know that the Hebrew which later were called Jew originally came from Ur in the ancient kingdom of Mesopotamia which is located in the eastern part of Iraq. Abraham the father of the hebrew/Jew and Arabs came from Ur.
And when the clan of Abraham arrived in Philistine (the original name of Palestine) there were people there who were called Canaanite.

Who were the Palestinians ? they originally came from the kingdom of Phoencian in North Africa, they were of Caucasian race and believed originated from the Greeks. These Phoenicians settled in Philitistine and intermarried with the Canaanite and later became the Philistine. The Palestinians were the descendants of the Philistine. So during the time of the
arrival of the Hebrew in Palestine from Ur the Philistine were already there living in Palestina.

The Hebrew lived side by side with the Philistine.Then some Hebrew migrated to Egypt and there Moses the Hebrew was born. Then when the Hebrew together with Moses cross the Red Sea and return to Palestine they called their land Israel and they build the kingdom of Israel and Judah, the word Jew came from the word Judah. When the Jew arrived in Palestine from Egypt the Philistine were still there

IN some point in History the Philistine were called Palestinian. And these Palestinian were of Phoenician / Greek origin and not Arabs. They still remain there in Palestine and lived side by side with newly arrived Jew from Egypt.

After the death of Jesus Christ, the Romans burned Jerusalem and the Jews scattered to all places in Europe. The Palestinian still lived there. In some point in history, some of these Palestinian became Muslim and some intermarried with the Arabs, so they have Arab blood now but their main blood were of Phoenician origins.

Later Palestine come under the control of the Turks who were of Muslim faith.
This time Western Europe were already Christian, then the Cristians from Europe established a Crusade to recover Palestine from the Turks who were Muslim. Many of these Crusaders intermarried with the Palestinians and some of these Palestinian became Christians. So in Palestine lived Palestinian Christians and Paletinian Muslims. The Crusaders also intermarried with the Arabs so their offsprings became the Christian Arabs of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. You can see now that the Arabs in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq have Caucasians features which they inherited from the Cruisaders.

So while the Jews were living in Europe for 2,000 years, the Palestinians were living in Palestine for 2,000 years also. Of course some Jews were left behind in Palestine during the Jews Diaspora.

Then came the 2nd World War and the Jews in Germany were systematically burn in the oven of Dachau, Treblinka, etc. About 6 millions Jews perished in the Jewish holocaust by the German Nazi. The Jews who survived the holocaust managed to go to Palestine which the Jew called Israel. In 1946 through the sponsorsip of the British and US govt. the United Nations gave the land of Palestine to the Jewish survivor and they renamed it Israel.

But there Palestinian living there. The Israli managed to evict the Palestinians, and these Palestinian became refugees in Lebanon and many Arab countries. Later these Palestinians who lived in the refugee camp in Leban and Jordan were radicalize and became guerillas / freedom fighters with aims to regain their lost land of Palestine which became the State of Israel. These Palestinian freedom fighters were lated called Terrorist by the British and the Americans.

Because the Arabs helps the Palestinians in their struggles to regain Palestine from the Jew/Israeli, so Israel and Arabs fought many wars.


Sources :

Microsoft Encarta 2007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian

http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf

[abskess]

Originally Posted by TheAvenger

If we go back farther in the history you will know that the Hebrew which later were called Jew originally came from Ur in the ancient kingdom of Mesopotamia which is located in the eastern part of Iraq. Abraham the father of the hebrew/Jew and Arabs came from Ur.
And when the clan of Abraham arrived in Philistine (the original name of Palestine) there were people there who were called Canaanite.

Who were the Palestinians ? they originally came from the kingdom of Phoencian in North Africa, they were of Caucasian race and believed originated from the Greeks. These Phoenicians settled in Philitistine and intermarried with the Canaanite and later became the Philistine. The Palestinians were the descendants of the Philistine. So during the time of the
arrival of the Hebrew in Palestine from Ur the Philistine were already there living in Palestina.

The Hebrew lived side by side with the Philistine.Then some Hebrew migrated to Egypt and there Moses the Hebrew was born. Then when the Hebrew together with Moses cross the Red Sea and return to Palestine they called their land Israel and they build the kingdom of Israel and Judah, the word Jew came from the word Judah. When the Jew arrived in Palestine from Egypt the Philistine were still there

IN some point in History the Philistine were called Palestinian. And these Palestinian were of Phoenician / Greek origin and not Arabs. They still remain there in Palestine and lived side by side with newly arrived Jew from Egypt.

After the death of Jesus Christ, the Romans burned Jerusalem and the Jews scattered to all places in Europe. The Palestinian still lived there. In some point in history, some of these Palestinian became Muslim and some intermarried with the Arabs, so they have Arab blood now but their main blood were of Phoenician origins.

Later Palestine come under the control of the Turks who were of Muslim faith.
This time Western Europe were already Christian, then the Cristians from Europe established a Crusade to recover Palestine from the Turks who were Muslim. Many of these Crusaders intermarried with the Palestinians and some of these Palestinian became Christians. So in Palestine lived Palestinian Christians and Paletinian Muslims. The Crusaders also intermarried with the Arabs so their offsprings became the Christian Arabs of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. You can see now that the Arabs in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq have Caucasians features which they inherited from the Cruisaders.

So while the Jews were living in Europe for 2,000 years, the Palestinians were living in Palestine for 2,000 years also. Of course some Jews were left behind in Palestine during the Jews Diaspora.

Then came the 2nd World War and the Jews in Germany were systematically burn in the oven of Dachau, Treblinka, etc. About 6 millions Jews perished in the Jewish holocaust by the German Nazi. The Jews who survived the holocaust managed to go to Palestine which the Jew called Israel. In 1946 through the sponsorsip of the British and US govt. the United Nations gave the land of Palestine to the Jewish survivor and they renamed it Israel.

But there Palestinian living there. The Israli managed to evict the Palestinians, and these Palestinian became refugees in Lebanon and many Arab countries. Later these Palestinians who lived in the refugee camp in Leban and Jordan were radicalize and became guerillas / freedom fighters with aims to regain their lost land of Palestine which became the State of Israel. These Palestinian freedom fighters were lated called Terrorist by the British and the Americans.

Because the Arabs helps the Palestinians in their struggles to regain Palestine from the Jew/Israeli, so Israel and Arabs fought many wars.


Sources :

Microsoft Encarta 2007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian

http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf

Thanks this very valuable info bro

[akiba]

Originally Posted by Rajah_Soliman

a net-find... an 18th century picture of tribes living in the northern part of mindanao, i suppose they weren't moslems but rather domesticated savages ...

Ok "humanoid" Rajah, go back to where you belong.

[bukid]

Originally Posted by TheAvenger

If we go back farther in the history you will know that the Hebrew which later were called Jew originally came from Ur in the ancient kingdom of Mesopotamia which is located in the eastern part of Iraq. Abraham the father of the hebrew/Jew and Arabs came from Ur.
And when the clan of Abraham arrived in Philistine (the original name of Palestine) there were people there who were called Canaanite.

Who were the Palestinians ? they originally came from the kingdom of Phoencian in North Africa, they were of Caucasian race and believed originated from the Greeks. These Phoenicians settled in Philitistine and intermarried with the Canaanite and later became the Philistine. The Palestinians were the descendants of the Philistine. So during the time of the
arrival of the Hebrew in Palestine from Ur the Philistine were already there living in Palestina.

The Hebrew lived side by side with the Philistine.Then some Hebrew migrated to Egypt and there Moses the Hebrew was born. Then when the Hebrew together with Moses cross the Red Sea and return to Palestine they called their land Israel and they build the kingdom of Israel and Judah, the word Jew came from the word Judah. When the Jew arrived in Palestine from Egypt the Philistine were still there

IN some point in History the Philistine were called Palestinian. And these Palestinian were of Phoenician / Greek origin and not Arabs. They still remain there in Palestine and lived side by side with newly arrived Jew from Egypt.

After the death of Jesus Christ, the Romans burned Jerusalem and the Jews scattered to all places in Europe. The Palestinian still lived there. In some point in history, some of these Palestinian became Muslim and some intermarried with the Arabs, so they have Arab blood now but their main blood were of Phoenician origins.

Later Palestine come under the control of the Turks who were of Muslim faith.
This time Western Europe were already Christian, then the Cristians from Europe established a Crusade to recover Palestine from the Turks who were Muslim. Many of these Crusaders intermarried with the Palestinians and some of these Palestinian became Christians. So in Palestine lived Palestinian Christians and Paletinian Muslims. The Crusaders also intermarried with the Arabs so their offsprings became the Christian Arabs of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. You can see now that the Arabs in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq have Caucasians features which they inherited from the Cruisaders.

So while the Jews were living in Europe for 2,000 years, the Palestinians were living in Palestine for 2,000 years also. Of course some Jews were left behind in Palestine during the Jews Diaspora.

Then came the 2nd World War and the Jews in Germany were systematically burn in the oven of Dachau, Treblinka, etc. About 6 millions Jews perished in the Jewish holocaust by the German Nazi. The Jews who survived the holocaust managed to go to Palestine which the Jew called Israel. In 1946 through the sponsorsip of the British and US govt. the United Nations gave the land of Palestine to the Jewish survivor and they renamed it Israel.

But there Palestinian living there. The Israli managed to evict the Palestinians, and these Palestinian became refugees in Lebanon and many Arab countries. Later these Palestinians who lived in the refugee camp in Leban and Jordan were radicalize and became guerillas / freedom fighters with aims to regain their lost land of Palestine which became the State of Israel. These Palestinian freedom fighters were lated called Terrorist by the British and the Americans.

Because the Arabs helps the Palestinians in their struggles to regain Palestine from the Jew/Israeli, so Israel and Arabs fought many wars.


Sources :

Microsoft Encarta 2007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian

http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf

The words “Palestine” and “Palestinians” have become household terms referring to the Arab population of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and the Gaza Strip. This meaning is planned to be codified in the name of the possible future Arab state discussed between the PLO and Israel. The adoption of this terminology as official, however, would be a mistake contradicting history and perpetuating dangerous falsehoods. This argument is based upon well-known facts that have long been textbook material.

The term “Palestine” was introduced by the Romans in the 2nd century CE in their attempt to eradicate all traces of the Jewish existence in Eretz Israel, the Land of Israel. The name was derived from the Hebrew name of Philistines (plishtim), long since defeated and extinct enemies of the Jews, who 3200 years ago occupied a small piece of land between Tel Aviv and Gaza. “Palestine” (Syria Palaestina) was to replace the name “Judaea,” after the last Judean war where the Roman troops, vastly superior in number and weapons, had been repeatedly defeated until all the resources of the Jews were exhausted. The name of Jerusalem was to be replaced by “Aelia Capitolina,” which, fortunately, has never become part of common language. The term “Palestine,” whose official use ceased after Romans, would, however, be revived to designate the area mandated to Great Britain by the League of Nations as a consequence of the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Mandatory Palestine included the territory both to the east and to the west of the Jordan River—contemporary Jordan (formerly Transjordan) and Israel. The British were charged with “placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home.”

After the British had decided to create the emirate of Transjordan—the Arab state in Palestine “across the Jordan river,” —they reneged on the promise to the Jews that was contained in the original mandate where “recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.”

http://www.pitt.edu/~mmv/israel.htm#misnomer

take note: it's called the Arab State of Palestine. The ones who now claims to be palestinians are actually arabs.

http://www.imninalu.net/myths-pals.htm

British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Holy Land, noted in 1939 that “far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied.”

http://www.geocities.com/harrymandelbaum/

[TheAvenger]

A few years ago or not more than 5 years ago the US Times ago posted a long a long articles about the Palestinians, and the cover of the Time Magazine was also Palestinian.

As per the researcher of the Time Magazine, the Palestinians of today were the descendants of the ancient Philistine.

Of course Israel and some European countries publications and books were denying that the Palestinians were the descendants of the ancient Philistine.

But the Jew and Israeli cannot deny that they originated from IRAQ, in the ancient city of UR in the ancient Mesopotamia, Mesopotamia is located in the Eastern part of the present Iraq.