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Old October 27th, 2009, 12:45 AM   #361
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woah! this has gone so fast!
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Old October 27th, 2009, 07:18 AM   #362
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Very impressive night shots!
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Old October 30th, 2009, 10:27 PM   #363
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Old October 30th, 2009, 11:39 PM   #364
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wow, rising with a incredible speed

btw, how many floors left?
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Old October 30th, 2009, 11:52 PM   #365
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Should top out in November. Should only be a few floors left. Wow!
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Old October 31st, 2009, 10:33 PM   #366
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Whoa crazy! It is looking good!
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 11:24 PM   #367
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 12:41 AM   #368
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imo the train station is ugly and should have been placed further from the river :S

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Old November 3rd, 2009, 07:27 AM   #369
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Well usually train stations are built near the centers of cities.It provides fast access to other parts of the city and it is convenient because it is close to the business district.In my opinion they couldn't have chosen a better location.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 11:00 AM   #370
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yeah but now it takes away area that otherwise coulve been for skyscrapers. I wouldve prefered it if there was just a metro and make the trainstation a bit further away.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 05:20 AM   #371
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I'm going to disagree. Having the train station is a huge boon to the downtown economy, and will bring tons of tourists right to the heart of the city, near the Italian area, the Riverside, and the new Jin Wan Plaza and soon, a central hub of the subway system which will be served by 3 lines. Think what you will of the train station itself, (I actually like the renovated design), it serves a vital area of the city, and does it better than if it were placed anywhere else. If you placed it anywhere outside of this area, you would have to basically scrap the city-wide subway plan or build it in an area where it was served by fewer/no lines. In addition, you would lose a lot of secondary benefits of bringing in tourism, because you take them far from the city, where, (if they are visitors), they are simply going to take a taxi straight to their hotel/destination, rather than walk around and see something new. You would also need to create tons of infrastructure to reroute the rail lines, as they have already been built through that area. All this in addition to the cost of building a new main train station, (as opposed to renovating and expanding the old one), acquiring new land for the lines and station, and the inconvenience of having to take a 50 yuan cab ride or an hour and a half subway ride to get where you want once you arrive in the city, (see Beijing South station and the old temporary Tianjin Train Station), make it a pretty easy choice. You can build skyscrapers anywhere, that's the whole point of them, (large area in a small footprint). Train stations though, are a bigger pain in the butt.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 08:54 AM   #372
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They can build a central station a little faraway and use one subway line to get to the new CBD. I think that will work. People first arrive at the central station from all directions, and then take the one line to the new CBD. What is the problem with that? Just a few more minutes' travel. Besides, I don't think many activities will be centered around here. This area will be filled with more office buildings and less life. It will be like Pudong of Shanghai.

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I'm going to disagree. Having the train station is a huge boon to the downtown economy, and will bring tons of tourists right to the heart of the city, near the Italian area, the Riverside, and the new Jin Wan Plaza and soon, a central hub of the subway system which will be served by 3 lines. Think what you will of the train station itself, (I actually like the renovated design), it serves a vital area of the city, and does it better than if it were placed anywhere else. If you placed it anywhere outside of this area, you would have to basically scrap the city-wide subway plan or build it in an area where it was served by fewer/no lines. In addition, you would lose a lot of secondary benefits of bringing in tourism, because you take them far from the city, where, (if they are visitors), they are simply going to take a taxi straight to their hotel/destination, rather than walk around and see something new. You would also need to create tons of infrastructure to reroute the rail lines, as they have already been built through that area. All this in addition to the cost of building a new main train station, (as opposed to renovating and expanding the old one), acquiring new land for the lines and station, and the inconvenience of having to take a 50 yuan cab ride or an hour and a half subway ride to get where you want once you arrive in the city, (see Beijing South station and the old temporary Tianjin Train Station), make it a pretty easy choice. You can build skyscrapers anywhere, that's the whole point of them, (large area in a small footprint). Train stations though, are a bigger pain in the butt.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #373
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I am not saying that the train station is a bad idea in terms of usefulness. Just in terms of looks for skyscraper fans its not nice.
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Old November 5th, 2009, 01:30 PM   #374
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for a very narrowminded skyscraper fan - sure! One that only know one thing, one question - how high...

Station as a hub is absolutely vital. The fact that BJ South is in such an odd place severely reduces it effectiveness. And what means major station linked to the rest of the city by only one line is well shown by SH south. One can't stuff oneself into the mentro there, as it already arrives to it full of commuters.
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Old November 5th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #375
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for a very narrowminded skyscraper fan - sure! One that only know one thing, one question - how high...

Station as a hub is absolutely vital. The fact that BJ South is in such an odd place severely reduces it effectiveness. And what means major station linked to the rest of the city by only one line is well shown by SH south. One can't stuff oneself into the mentro there, as it already arrives to it full of commuters.
omg can you read? where did I say its not vital.
Pfff what I like it going down the river, looking right... skyscraper, looking left... skyscraper thats all I meant ok?
Dont call me narrowminded u dont know anything about me.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 10:37 AM   #376
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They can build a central station a little faraway and use one subway line to get to the new CBD. I think that will work. People first arrive at the central station from all directions, and then take the one line to the new CBD. What is the problem with that? Just a few more minutes' travel. Besides, I don't think many activities will be centered around here. This area will be filled with more office buildings and less life. It will be like Pudong of Shanghai.
There already is a lot of commercial activity going on near the station. The river boardwalk area is full of river cruises every weekend. The Italian area has filled up with bars & restaurants, and is becoming a pretty hip place to go. Right across the river is Jiefang Bei Lu, kind of a historical area that is nice for a walk, the new Jin Wan Plaza, which also has tons of theaters and restaurants, and even Binjiang Dao/Heping Lu is only about a 10-15 minute walk. The area has undergone a huge renaissance in the last year and a half. You might be confusing this area with Binhai/Tanggu/TEDA. This area is nothing like Pudong. It is much more urban and centralized.

Building a new station outwards might seem ok, but by only being served by one subway line instead of 3, you are going to reduce it's effectiveness significantly. Having to commute from Tianjin to Beijing on a semi-regular basis, I can tell you right now that even with the extra subway line, every single person I know would still prefer that the high-speed train went to the downtown station instead of Beijing south.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, though.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 12:26 AM   #377
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omg can you read? where did I say its not vital.
Pfff what I like it going down the river, looking right... skyscraper, looking left... skyscraper thats all I meant ok?
Dont call me narrowminded u dont know anything about me.
yes I don't know YOU. all I have to go is what you have written. That is how you present yourself here. And my opinion was a reply for your reasoning, particularly the quality of it.

In this way I think I know enough about you to say what I've said.

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Old November 9th, 2009, 11:20 AM   #378
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all I have to go is what you have written.
Thats why you shouldnt make opinions about people so fast.
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Old November 10th, 2009, 05:43 AM   #379
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Thats why you shouldnt make opinions about people so fast.
I think you should do the same thing.
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Old November 10th, 2009, 07:00 PM   #380
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I think you should do the same thing.
what wrong with you. Tell me where in this thread ive said anything about anyone?

Gosh this is getting retarded. Im being bombarded with retard statements based on nothing.


Oh and i got a lil image for you

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