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Old October 19th, 2006, 11:48 AM   #21
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I don't think that a glass building would be right for that location.
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Old October 19th, 2006, 12:01 PM   #22
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I think that wharever stands directly opposite the Town Hall and Museum needs to be of high quality (or at least the facades do) but a glass building on Paradice Circus standing well back from Chamberlain Square wouldn't be a problem, Bio?
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Old October 20th, 2006, 12:27 PM   #23
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I would happily see one where the GOWM is (opposite the College of Food on that corner) but I think we need to see something that is a bit more solid - all the architecture around there is solid-looking. Even Alpha Tower has a bit of bit.

I don't mind if it is stone-and-glass, and if the ratio of glass to stone/concrete/reconstituted stone were to increase as a tower rises I would be content, but at street level and for the first few storeys it should have more of a presence IMO. Something like 50:50 on the lower storeys, then 51:49 on the next, 52:48 the next, 53:47 the next, all the way up to 80:20 or something?

I would also want the tall buildings to be stepped back & positioned away from the Town Hall. Ideally, you should be able to see the Town Hall from Centenary Square

Oh, and they should close the underpass below the library too....
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Old October 20th, 2006, 01:13 PM   #24
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Oh, and they should close the underpass below the library too....
I got the impression that this was already a definite plan for Paradise Circus - though I can't remember where I heard it from.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:26 PM   #25
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Do you mean the Deep level tunnel from Gt Charles St to Suffolk St or the surface level underpass (part of the roundabout).. that definitly needs remodeling but the deep level road tunnel needs to stay.
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Yep, the near side of the Paradice Circus itself, not the deep tunnel.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 12:30 PM   #27
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This thread is being revived just to see if anyone has any additional information about a key area of the city.

A focal point for tourists, a through-way for many commuters and the link between the retail district and the entertainment district.

Because the area it is located in is very near to the Conservation area it needs due care and attention when it comes to planning. Can I just ask... Do we have any Councillors, Planners, Architects etc who actually contribute to these messageboards? Do people in positions of influence actually take notice of what is written on here?
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Old December 15th, 2006, 01:02 PM   #28
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What do you suppose, Garcha?!
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Old December 15th, 2006, 03:37 PM   #29
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I think the Library and the hall with McDonalds and JD Wetherspoons needs to go. A reclad might not be enough because of the internal structure of the building, which has led to the Library becoming a confusing, dark, gloomy, smelly and uninspiring place. Not somewhere you go to learn or to educate people.

The hall isn't too bad, but if the entire area was flattened, the developer could aim to make Summer Row more accessible (lots of Commuters need to walk down and through that horrid subway and past the people sleeping outside Ladbrokes) as well as pave the way for a better planned, well landscaped purpose-built Library building so people can walk around it, rather than through it as they admire the architecture and enjoy the nearby amenities (some Cafe's and Restaurants maybe?). A glass building might actually suit the area it is in, but depending on the financial clout of the client (if Council then probably not anything special), they could go for something grand, high-rise and solidly built to complement the grand civic buildings around that area ... somehow I dont think the planners have the Balls to do something like that.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 10:24 AM   #30
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...well landscaped purpose-built Library building so people can walk around it, rather than through it as they admire the architecture...
Hear, hear! I hope they can at least do this for the long suffering people of Birmingham, and considering what they shifted to put this in it's place!
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Old December 16th, 2006, 12:07 PM   #31
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If Garcha ever went up against Mike Whitby to run Birmingham, I know who I'll be voting for!
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Old December 16th, 2006, 01:39 PM   #32
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Haha I don't know who Mike Whitby is (will research). But I'm sure he's probably just a typical figure in the politics game... where its more a case of Older guys who know how to play "the game" and probably just want to be re-elected, so make lots of promises, raise expectations, and make political issues sound rosey enough for the easily impressionable to vote for him/her. Sometimes Chinese capitalist-communism doesn't seem so Bad....
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Old December 16th, 2006, 02:00 PM   #33
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He's the leader of the council.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 02:14 PM   #34
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IMO.. for what it worth, the library itself was built in th ewrong place, AND as someone said the crap around it doesn't help.. paradise forum is an obstacle which divides the city centre in two.. rather than spend millions of pounds on a new library.. simply move the existing one into the redeveloped Baskerville House so as to open up this beautiful building to the public and not just another offices, then demolish paradise forum and sell the land to a developer for a brindley place style development (do we really need a skyscraper here?) with one of the buildings being in the style of the original library.. but whatever happens this needs to be of the highest quality of anywhere in the country.. iconic maybe but just outstanding design with excellent longevity unlike the grey concrete box thats there now... the funds from selling this land could go into securing something better for new street.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 02:31 PM   #35
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Baskville House is unsuitable and was not rebuilt to make it suitable, so that's dead in the water, Maybe that Car park next to it is a good place for it afterall, seems a bit small though..
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Old December 16th, 2006, 02:59 PM   #36
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Yeh. Baskerville House was considered but surveys of the building showed it would not be able to support the weight of the books and a redevelopment would not help the building as a library. It's a real shame because the library could have been in the Civic Centre.
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The Library would look great opposite the ICC where the two/three council blocks are right now. With a terrace frontage onto the Canals. A symbol of the city's Heritage, but a building that represents the direction it is moving in. Driving to the Library would be easier, and would complement the Baskerville House development. If a new square was developed it would provide more attractive access to Summer Row (Mechu/Apres etc) as well as better pedestrian access to the start of Jewellry Quarter - by where HFC/Barclays Collection Centres are.
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If you mean Adrian Boult Hall, that will be moved. UCE Conservatoire are looking at the site once intended for the new library in the Eastside and it seems talks are coming along nicely!
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Just to make things clear from the above message....In order to provide more attractive access to Summer Row, the UCE development would need to be moved.

The building should complement the Baskerville House development if it continues the use of a smaller Square placed in location where the land surrounding the Housing Estate is. With a slope being taken into consideration, the libary would need to be "heavier" towards the road opposite the ICC by the mini-roundabout and "lighter" as it sloped down toward the Canal.
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The Library would look great opposite the ICC where the two/three council blocks are right now. With a terrace frontage onto the Canals. A symbol of the city's Heritage, but a building that represents the direction it is moving in. Driving to the Library would be easier, and would complement the Baskerville House development. If a new square was developed it would provide more attractive access to Summer Row (Mechu/Apres etc) as well as better pedestrian access to the start of Jewellry Quarter - by where HFC/Barclays Collection Centres are.
Now you mention it, that would have made a great place for it, shame they've just done up those Tower Blocks at the back of the Flapper and Firkin init?
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