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IHaveNoLegs · January 13th, 2007, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timnz2000

at several times the cost

no its not
airfares are very cheap nowadays

Kane007 · January 13th, 2007, 11:35 AM

Yes airfares in real terms have been dropping for at least the last 10 years. Whats been increasing at an even greater pass are the taxes, levys and surcharges. An international example, but holds true domestically as well, 10 years ago Air NZ or Qantas would have cost you NZ$599 Auckland to Sydney return. Airport departure fee (tax) would have been NZ$20.00 for Auckland and AU$25.00 for Sydney. Today, same flight, NZ$499.00 but taxes into/out of Sydney $185.00 plus Auckland $25.00.

Please note 10 years ago only Air NZ, Qantas, Thai Airways and Polynesian Airlines flew AKL/SYD/AKL.

Though there are cheaper, even this one is hard to get, with enormous strings attached.

10 years ago, these levys were part of the airfare. Now its just a marketing ploy to sucker punch the consumer into feeling how much better off they are vs their ancestors.

IHaveNoLegs · January 14th, 2007, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane007

Yes airfares in real terms have been dropping for at least the last 10 years. Whats been increasing at an even greater pass are the taxes, levys and surcharges. An international example, but holds true domestically as well, 10 years ago Air NZ or Qantas would have cost you NZ$599 Auckland to Sydney return. Airport departure fee (tax) would have been NZ$20.00 for Auckland and AU$25.00 for Sydney. Today, same flight, NZ$499.00 but taxes into/out of Sydney $185.00 plus Auckland $25.00.

Please note 10 years ago only Air NZ, Qantas, Thai Airways and Polynesian Airlines flew AKL/SYD/AKL.

Though there are cheaper, even this one is hard to get, with enormous strings attached.

10 years ago, these levys were part of the airfare. Now its just a marketing ploy to sucker punch the consumer into feeling how much better off they are vs their ancestors.

o.k. thats beside the point

Kane007 · February 6th, 2007, 09:45 PM

Stadium future-proofed over noise complaints
NZ Herald
2007/02/07

Future apartment dwellers near North Harbour Stadium will not have the right to oppose or restrict its concerts.

Losing that right is part of a "future proofing" deal struck by the stadium trust board and the developers who plan to build huge apartment complexes at Albany on the bare paddocks around the stadium.

In order to get resource consent, a covenant against complaints about noise must be registered on every title to the apartments, which will have to be built to a set acoustic standard including special glazing and sound-proof materials.

"We don't want to be in the situation we have seen elsewhere in the Auckland region where there have been restrictions that would hurt our customers and revenue," said stadium chief executive Brendan O'Connor.

"We are trying to keep it a multi-purpose stadium with sport and a diverse range of events - we've just had the Roger Waters concert, and the Crusty Demons motorbike show is coming up.

"When the stadium was built 10 years ago it was farmland round here and since then there has been a lot of development."

Mr O'Connor said the stadium's 24ha was about to have apartment blocks as neighbours as a result of zone changes.

North Shore City Council permitted up to 16 concerts a year and noise levels of 85 decibels up to 11 pm on weekends and 80 decibels on weekdays.

Eden Park is not permitted to have concerts and resource consent conditions for the proposed rebuilt stadium require a stringent 55 decibels up to 10.30 pm.

Western Springs and Westpac Stadium in Wellington have limits of 60 decibels or more.

"We are protecting our business and the developers will put measures in place to protect their residents," said Mr O'Connor.

"There is nothing to stop any resident complaining about noise if we don't keep within lawful operating levels."

The council said it received 17 complaints about noise from the Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon concert, mostly from residents in a primarily industrial area.

Mr O'Connor said the stadium had acoustic engineers monitoring the concert and the noise was well within limits, though the music was loud. Until that day, the stadium had had only one noise complaint in 10 years.

The stadium trust board insisted on protection against noise restrictions in negotiations with the council and Albany developers who wanted to change some business land zoning to allow residential buildings.

Stadium trust board lawyer Richard Brabant said the stadium was now "future-proofed" and was unique, at least in Auckland, in terms of facilities and continued to be the best option as the venue for the Rugby World Cup in 2011.

The agreement was negotiated with landowners Cornerstone Group and developers including Symphony Group and is to be written into the District Plan.

This means every residential unit will have its living and bedroom areas built to an agreed acoustic standard so the noise level inside should not exceed 50 decibels, based on an 85 decibel limit noise contour around the stadium.

The District Plan will say that every residential development in the Business 11 zone needs a consent with a no-complaints covenant on the title.

"It says you are coming to live here in the environment next to a major stadium and you agree you will not complain about any stadium activities carried out in accordance with its lawful rights. The stadium can have night lights on as often as necessary and it can hold concerts," said Mr Brabant.

The Environment Court has yet to endorse the District Plan change but already the first major residential complex for Albany is set to go ahead.

The Platypus Group plans to launch this month sales of 146 apartments in the first stage of a 585-unit development called The Foundry on Don McKinnon Drive.

Platypus director Chris Minty said the agreement should not affect buyers as long as the stadium operated to the rules.

The apartments were "a couple of hundred metres" from the stadium, he said, and it was only a few times a year that noise levels reached concert standard.

He was unable to say how much more expensive apartments would be if special sound-proofing materials had to be used.

Albany City Holdings has agreed to protect the stadium against noise complaints and is developing 794 apartments in Don McKinnon Drive.

CentraLine · June 21st, 2007, 09:48 PM

This is what you hope to use to host the world cup with???? You are almost as delusional as South Africans! The world cup is going to Japan.

Mo Rush · June 21st, 2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CentraLine

This is what you hope to use to host the world cup with???? You are almost as delusional as South Africans! The world cup is going to Japan.

delusional about what?

CentraLine · June 21st, 2007, 10:30 PM

Delusional about your ability to host anything as large as the world cup. It is obvious that both SA & NZ don't have the stadiums or the ability to do it.

Mo Rush · June 21st, 2007, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CentraLine

Delusional about your ability to host anything as large as the world cup. It is obvious that both SA & NZ don't have the stadiums or the ability to do it.

i refuse to turn this thread into something about south africa and i request that you argue your points in the south african threads.

south africa certainly has the stadia, again be specific and we'll deal with each stadium and its construction progress individually, blurting out Sh*t helps nobody. I am willing to discuss the merits of each stadium and my discussions with the construction team and designer of some of the stadia with you.

apologies to the new zealand peoples for this off topic post.

KIWIKAAS · June 21st, 2007, 11:03 PM

Don't worry Mo. I think CentraLine will have a short lifespan on SSC.

CentraLine · June 21st, 2007, 11:15 PM

Yes South Africa for the Saffas; Middle Earth for the Kiwis & Great Britain for the British. Seeing as I am on the NZ thread, do the Kiwis really think that their existing stadia is good enough for RWC 2011?

KIWIKAAS · June 21st, 2007, 11:43 PM

Christchurch = no worries
Dunedin = gonna be great
Wellington = ok
Auckland = disapointment

SYDNEY · June 22nd, 2007, 12:06 AM

This guy doesn't warrant a response from ANY of us ..... this is what he had to say in the South African Forum ....

What really amazes me is how both the Kiwis & the Saffas think that they are better than each other. Listen, Auckland is the most boring city I have ever been to & New Zealand is the most boring country I have ever been to, very sterile with no heartbeat.

Strange that the bulk of our immigrants are from the UK - they can't get out of the UK quick enough, especially London

and who cares what he thinks anyways - he is INSIGNIFICANT !

@ Aucklandman - please remove this tosser's yob babble

Mo Rush · June 22nd, 2007, 12:27 AM

i agree..really don't see whats wrong with our stadium being built in cape town...

link:http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...r/image006.jpg

SYDNEY · June 22nd, 2007, 12:31 AM

^ There is NOTHING wrong with South Africa's stadiums - they are awesome. I speak for most of us when I say that we would LOVE to have Cape Town's new Greenpoint stadium in Auckland ...... Eden Park's "downgrade" is an embarrassment.

Mo Rush · June 22nd, 2007, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENIGMA

^ There is NOTHING wrong with South Africa's stadiums - they are awesome. I speak for most of us when I say that we would LOVE to have Cape Town's new Greenpoint stadium in Auckland ...... Eden Park's "downgrade" is an embarrassment.

that image was me being a complete show-off, i pray everyday for your waterfront stadium.

SYDNEY · June 22nd, 2007, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Rush

that image was me being a complete show-off, i pray everyday for your waterfront stadium.

Unfortunately, as long as Kiwi's have so much say in such matters, it is never going to happen

Anyways, I am now focused on the America's Cup - Team NZ must give Alinghi a good hiding so that we can bring the cup back to Auckland

Marky Mark · June 22nd, 2007, 01:01 AM

However I can see why you would be concerned , this is where Minor Games / Heats will be played out in 2011 and will probaly be as far as England gets

and the Sound Proofing being discussed for surrounding Apartments is to block out the English whinging and I guess the crys of defeat

SYDNEY · June 22nd, 2007, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marky Mark

However I can see why you would be concerned , this is where Minor Games / Heats will be played out in 2011 and will probaly be as far as England gets

and the Sound Proofing being discussed for surrounding Apartments is to block out the English whinging and I guess the crys of defeat

I couldn't have said it better myself Marky

Q-TIP · June 22nd, 2007, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIWIKAAS

Christchurch = no worries
Dunedin = gonna be great
Wellington = ok
Auckland = disapointment

That pretty well sums it up at the moment. Though, I still think Westpac Stadium is the best stadium in NZ.

For rugby, Yarrow Stadium and Rotorua need an upgrade, and throw in Invercargill for good measure too!

sth_Auk · June 22nd, 2007, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CentraLine

This picture looks very 'pretty' but it doesn't look like a stadium good enough for any phase of such a high proile event, it might just be good enough for Auckland City FC. I could draw pictures all day but it is not going to change my ability to host such an event. When was the last time that NZ hosted such a large sporting event?

The first RWC, 1987

February 6th, 2007, 09:45 PM	#64
Kane007 12 Solo's so far! Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Shore City Posts: 2,962 Likes (Received): 0	Stadium future-proofed over noise complaints NZ Herald 2007/02/07 Future apartment dwellers near North Harbour Stadium will not have the right to oppose or restrict its concerts. Losing that right is part of a "future proofing" deal struck by the stadium trust board and the developers who plan to build huge apartment complexes at Albany on the bare paddocks around the stadium. In order to get resource consent, a covenant against complaints about noise must be registered on every title to the apartments, which will have to be built to a set acoustic standard including special glazing and sound-proof materials. "We don't want to be in the situation we have seen elsewhere in the Auckland region where there have been restrictions that would hurt our customers and revenue," said stadium chief executive Brendan O'Connor. "We are trying to keep it a multi-purpose stadium with sport and a diverse range of events - we've just had the Roger Waters concert, and the Crusty Demons motorbike show is coming up. "When the stadium was built 10 years ago it was farmland round here and since then there has been a lot of development." Mr O'Connor said the stadium's 24ha was about to have apartment blocks as neighbours as a result of zone changes. North Shore City Council permitted up to 16 concerts a year and noise levels of 85 decibels up to 11 pm on weekends and 80 decibels on weekdays. Eden Park is not permitted to have concerts and resource consent conditions for the proposed rebuilt stadium require a stringent 55 decibels up to 10.30 pm. Western Springs and Westpac Stadium in Wellington have limits of 60 decibels or more. "We are protecting our business and the developers will put measures in place to protect their residents," said Mr O'Connor. "There is nothing to stop any resident complaining about noise if we don't keep within lawful operating levels." The council said it received 17 complaints about noise from the Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon concert, mostly from residents in a primarily industrial area. Mr O'Connor said the stadium had acoustic engineers monitoring the concert and the noise was well within limits, though the music was loud. Until that day, the stadium had had only one noise complaint in 10 years. The stadium trust board insisted on protection against noise restrictions in negotiations with the council and Albany developers who wanted to change some business land zoning to allow residential buildings. Stadium trust board lawyer Richard Brabant said the stadium was now "future-proofed" and was unique, at least in Auckland, in terms of facilities and continued to be the best option as the venue for the Rugby World Cup in 2011. The agreement was negotiated with landowners Cornerstone Group and developers including Symphony Group and is to be written into the District Plan. This means every residential unit will have its living and bedroom areas built to an agreed acoustic standard so the noise level inside should not exceed 50 decibels, based on an 85 decibel limit noise contour around the stadium. The District Plan will say that every residential development in the Business 11 zone needs a consent with a no-complaints covenant on the title. "It says you are coming to live here in the environment next to a major stadium and you agree you will not complain about any stadium activities carried out in accordance with its lawful rights. The stadium can have night lights on as often as necessary and it can hold concerts," said Mr Brabant. The Environment Court has yet to endorse the District Plan change but already the first major residential complex for Albany is set to go ahead. The Platypus Group plans to launch this month sales of 146 apartments in the first stage of a 585-unit development called The Foundry on Don McKinnon Drive. Platypus director Chris Minty said the agreement should not affect buyers as long as the stadium operated to the rules. The apartments were "a couple of hundred metres" from the stadium, he said, and it was only a few times a year that noise levels reached concert standard. He was unable to say how much more expensive apartments would be if special sound-proofing materials had to be used. Albany City Holdings has agreed to protect the stadium against noise complaints and is developing 794 apartments in Don McKinnon Drive. __________________ As the most venerable D Lange would say..."Stupid, I can smell the hydrocarbons on your breath from over here!"

June 21st, 2007, 09:48 PM	#65
CentraLine Proud Londoner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 34 Likes (Received): 0	This is what you hope to use to host the world cup with???? You are almost as delusional as South Africans! The world cup is going to Japan. __________________ LONDON 2012

June 21st, 2007, 10:30 PM	#67
CentraLine Proud Londoner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 34 Likes (Received): 0	Delusional about your ability to host anything as large as the world cup. It is obvious that both SA & NZ don't have the stadiums or the ability to do it. __________________ LONDON 2012

June 21st, 2007, 11:15 PM	#70
CentraLine Proud Londoner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 34 Likes (Received): 0	Yes South Africa for the Saffas; Middle Earth for the Kiwis & Great Britain for the British. Seeing as I am on the NZ thread, do the Kiwis really think that their existing stadia is good enough for RWC 2011? __________________ LONDON 2012

June 22nd, 2007, 12:06 AM	#72
SYDNEY NEW ZEALAND Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 23,889 Likes (Received): 745	This guy doesn't warrant a response from ANY of us ..... this is what he had to say in the South African Forum .... What really amazes me is how both the Kiwis & the Saffas think that they are better than each other. Listen, Auckland is the most boring city I have ever been to & New Zealand is the most boring country I have ever been to, very sterile with no heartbeat. Strange that the bulk of our immigrants are from the UK - they can't get out of the UK quick enough, especially London and who cares what he thinks anyways - he is INSIGNIFICANT ! @ Aucklandman - please remove this tosser's yob babble __________________ Connoisseur of Beauty AUCKLAND [FLICKR] AUCKLAND [PBASE] [EYE] ON AUCKLAND BLOG

January 13th, 2007, 11:35 AM	#62
Kane007 12 Solo's so far! Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Shore City Posts: 2,962 Likes (Received): 0	Yes airfares in real terms have been dropping for at least the last 10 years. Whats been increasing at an even greater pass are the taxes, levys and surcharges. An international example, but holds true domestically as well, 10 years ago Air NZ or Qantas would have cost you NZ$599 Auckland to Sydney return. Airport departure fee (tax) would have been NZ$20.00 for Auckland and AU$25.00 for Sydney. Today, same flight, NZ$499.00 but taxes into/out of Sydney $185.00 plus Auckland $25.00. Please note 10 years ago only Air NZ, Qantas, Thai Airways and Polynesian Airlines flew AKL/SYD/AKL. Though there are cheaper, even this one is hard to get, with enormous strings attached. 10 years ago, these levys were part of the airfare. Now its just a marketing ploy to sucker punch the consumer into feeling how much better off they are vs their ancestors.

June 21st, 2007, 11:03 PM	#69
KIWIKAAS Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Hague Posts: 3,719 Likes (Received): 10	Don't worry Mo. I think CentraLine will have a short lifespan on SSC.

June 21st, 2007, 11:43 PM	#71
KIWIKAAS Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Hague Posts: 3,719 Likes (Received): 10	Christchurch = no worries Dunedin = gonna be great Wellington = ok Auckland = disapointment

June 22nd, 2007, 12:27 AM	#73
Mo Rush life.love.everything else Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cape Town Posts: 29,212 Likes (Received): 2	i agree..really don't see whats wrong with our stadium being built in cape town... link:http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...r/image006.jpg __________________ You don't need a Holiday, you need CAPE TOWN #cityofinspiration Last edited by Mo Rush; June 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 AM.

June 22nd, 2007, 12:31 AM	#74
SYDNEY NEW ZEALAND Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 23,889 Likes (Received): 745	^ There is NOTHING wrong with South Africa's stadiums - they are awesome. I speak for most of us when I say that we would LOVE to have Cape Town's new Greenpoint stadium in Auckland ...... Eden Park's "downgrade" is an embarrassment. __________________ Connoisseur of Beauty AUCKLAND [FLICKR] AUCKLAND [PBASE] [EYE] ON AUCKLAND BLOG

June 22nd, 2007, 01:01 AM	#77
Marky Mark Nana's Favourite ! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Tauranga NZ , Melbourne OZ Posts: 5,799 Likes (Received): 3	This is a Secondary Stadium { North Harbour } for Auckland Centraline ! However I can see why you would be concerned , this is where Minor Games / Heats will be played out in 2011 and will probaly be as far as England gets and the Sound Proofing being discussed for surrounding Apartments is to block out the English whinging and I guess the crys of defeat __________________ http://dodgedownunder.freeforums.org/ www.rosswatson.com Gorgous Art Work ! I'm Not Gay , but I think my Boyfriend Is !

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