MARSEILLE - Stade Vélodrome (60,031 -> 67,054) - EURO 2016

[www.sercan.de]

Who changed the thread title?

[Vilak]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

Who changed the thread title?

I did it. I asked the moderators to do it because it's no longer sure how much seats will be added in the next expansion so the 80.501 let the place to a "?".

[Vilak]

Originally Posted by Carrerra

in 2014???? They have no intension of any renovations or expansions...

2014 AT THE LASTEST. All can be finished sooner if eveything goes right but 2014 is the definite deadline for the end of the work.

They'll do it. Everybody wants it and with the Euro 2016 bid, there's more and more chance to do it.
It Will happen, believe me, it will!

[titou]

Originally Posted by Vilak

OM G.M. declared that the Velodrome will be covered and huge improve in term of comfort and facilities will be made to fullfill both city and Club desire to have a stadium the kind of those who were recently built in Germany or England.

All will be finished in 2014 at the latest.

There's no clear talk about an expansion of the seating but I'm pretty sure something will be done on that subject as everybody, as the mayor said, wants a at least a few thousand seats added.

Finnaly an official talk about a timeline.
I suppose they will complete the bowl and cover it.
A 68K Velodrome with a roof will be great.

[Axelferis]

What??? what is this new?, 80000 seats an old story?? new expansion to 68000?? i don't understand!!?

What is the new project??

[Neda Say]

6 years! I just can't believe it, I'm glad for the fans and casual football goers who are going to enjoy something top notch!

[titou]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

What??? what is this new?, 80000 seats an old story?? new expansion to 68000?? i don't understand!!?

What is the new project??

Today, we don't know what kind of expansion will be made.
I said 68k just because I think it's a project of this kind that will be choosen as it is the most logical and less expansive way to expand and cover the Velodrome.
The 80K project is still actual story.

[Vilak]

AxelFerris:
No, the 80k is not history, what's different is that it's no longer the sole story:
We've learned that the city of marseille will receive projects from other companies, that there will be a competition between those one and the 80K and that a jury will pick what will be considered the best project. Of course, such a competition will force companies to offer the best for the less money.
Hope you understand now

Titou:
I still think that a 80.000 seats stadium is the best solution for Marseille.

Neda Say:
You can't imagine how much I'm excited to see it's finally happening!

[IronMan89]

6 years isn't that big...
At least One year to have the finalists... 2 months to choose the winner...6 to 12 months to secure the funds..... 6 months to begin the works... 2years to finish it all...so we have something like 4 years... 2012, 2013 it's not that bad judging that Lyon will be finished by 2011 2012

[Vilak]

Originally Posted by IronMan89

6 years isn't that big...
At least One year to have the finalists... 2 months to choose the winner...6 to 12 months to secure the funds..... 6 months to begin the works... 2years to finish it all...so we have something like 4 years... 2012, 2013 it's not that bad judging that Lyon will be finished by 2011 2012

Your estimation is great!
I think, as they don't yet know what kind of works will be done, that they saw far to allow heavy works if it has to be the case.
That's how I understand the 6 years given to complete everything.

[titou]

Originally Posted by Vilak

Titou:
I still think that a 80.000 seats stadium is the best solution for Marseille.

Let's take a cost of 5000 euros for a seat :
60 to 70k : 50 millions.
60 to 80k : 100 millions.

Note that expanding the covered stand to make a copycat of the 20k one would be very easy and there will be a good 90 millions left to cover the stadium and upgrade its quality.

On the opposit, to expand to reach an overall 80k capacity, you'll have to work on the others stands and THAT, that would not be that simple at all due to the actual configuration of the stadium and the roads that are next to them. result :you could add at least 20 millions for those last 10000 seats. That make a cost of 120 millions just to reach 80K.
if the budget is 140 millions, there's only 20 millions left to cover and upgrade the comfort and the facilities of the stadium.

[www.sercan.de]

5000 is a lot
WC 2006 most expensive was Allianz with 3.850 €

[titou]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

5000 is a lot
WC 2006 most expensive was Allianz with 3.850 €

OK, I'll do an edit.
The only number I used when the ones advanced by Neda say earlier in the topic. But I think that 3.580 was for a building of a stadium, a seat cost more when it's an expansion.

Neda Say :
I'm not sure but I think what I just said was something I heard from you so before doing the edit, I would like to have your point of view.

Whatever, it doesn't change anything to the fact going for 70k lets much more money available for the rest of the expansion than 80k. Don't you thing the same?

[Vilak]

Originally Posted by titou

Let's take a cost of 5000 euros for a seat :
60 to 70k : 50 millions.
60 to 80k : 100 millions.

Note that expanding the covered stand to make a copycat of the 20k one would be very easy and there will be a good 90 millions left to cover the stadium and upgrade its quality.

On the opposit, to expand to reach an overall 80k capacity, you'll have to work on the others stands and THAT, that would not be that simple at all due to the actual configuration of the stadium and the roads that are next to them. result :you could add at least 20 millions for those last 10000 seats. That make a cost of 120 millions just to reach 80K.
if the budget is 140 millions, there's only 20 millions left to cover and upgrade the comfort and the facilities of the stadium.

So that means that the project that opened this thread must not leave much money to improve the comfort and build shops, hotels, conference centers...
I'm very eager to see what the others projects will bring.

[Neda Say]

Originally Posted by titou

OK, I'll do an edit.
The only number I used when the ones advanced by Neda say earlier in the topic. But I think that 3.580 was for a building of a stadium, a seat cost more when it's an expansion.

Neda Say :
I'm not sure but I think what I just said was something I heard from you so before doing the edit, I would like to have your point of view.

Whatever, it doesn't change anything to the fact going for 70k lets much more money available for the rest of the expansion than 80k. Don't you thing the same?

Well as I said I'm always going for the pricey thing! Since I generally convert from american dollars to euros when it comes to stadia building! 3580 was the price paid on average for the stadia of the German WC. But first this was some time ago, second France is more expansive than Germany in terms of workforce and taxes, Therefore I prefer to aim high and have a good surprise than to aim low and have a bad one. Besides when it comes to spending taxpayers money France has sort of a terrible history! 5000 sounds logical to me. Yes renovations are more expansive than new builds and it's only logical; it takes five sec to blow a building to pieces but you don't want to ask the price of a complete renovation. Just think about how time consuming it is to take apart a stand seat by seat...Just in terms of euro per hour it's scary!

[Vilak]

So you too prefers the 70K options?

[Neda Say]

Honestly I consider 60000 to be more than sufficient! I want this stadium to get a roof and better amenities, They won't roof it unless they add seats, IMO 80000 is just ludicrously big if they don't get to play CL years in and out. 70000 is decent I think 10000 extra seats, more luxury suites and better comfort for all fans with store, hotel, restaurant and park in the close neighborhood are a must!

[Neda Say]

I do! I just want a roof and better overall comfort!

[IronMan89]

As we have seen before the Stade Velodrome site isn't pretty big... so when I saw build an hotel, I wondered if there was really enough place, and I don't think so. The largest space is situated in front of the stadium, and if they really want to create amenities like shops, hotel , bar etc they have to step on this space and get closer to the boulevard. They can let some space between the extension to let people go directly to the stadium but it adds some problems too. The best way in my opinion is like the first project... a simple exension is too hard... they have to create a whole structure around the current stadium, like if they want to hide it... it would be something really massive and with somme space to put shops restaurants, VÎP lounges

I vote for a 70 72K stadium with the model of the first page

[lpioe]

I would prefer if they make the stadium symmetric (rebuild the main stand) and add an elegant roof/facade like in the model on the first page. No 2nd tier plz...