Liverpool John Lennon Airport (vi)

[bluesnapper]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

The guy who runs "JET2" has the same old-fashioned and blinkered mind-set - I sat next to him on a Gatwick - Manchester service and in discussion told him I wanted a Gatwick - Liverpool service, and he said never, it wasn't in his business plan, and he believed people would drive that little bit further to use Manchester. After all, I was using the route, wasn't I? He totally failed to appreciate the future, and the fact that many people use public transport to access airports for business travel.

Its been posted elsewhere that Jet2 have applied to serve Dusseldorf from Liverpool.

[woody]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

One business model I can see for BA Connect is that they go upmarket and provide an all first class service, a sort of domestic / short-haul business-only service that will justify the very high ticket prices. A first-class product that involves the "fast" queue not just for check-in but critically now also for security (like the one for 1st class passengers at Gatwick - saves them half an hour of the scrum to get the opportunity to take their shoes off), and baggage etc. .

I have this week had 2 round trips to Paris CDG from Manchester with BA Connect, 3 flights took off 1 hour late only one departed on time, Poli your comments re "fast" queue was spot on. The BA check-in at CDG had 5 manned check-ins, but only 1 was dealing with the great "unwashed" (me ) , resulting in horrendous queues. Security was on Friday night upgraded at 18-00hours again coats, shoes and belts off, more long queues.

All flights were full with good flight crews but on board food and drink a bit pricey

[bluesnapper]

Originally Posted by woody

I have this week had 2 round trips to Paris CDG from Manchester with BA Connect, 3 flights took off 1 hour late only one departed on time, Poli your comments re "fast" queue was spot on. The BA check-in at CDG had 5 manned check-ins, but only 1 was dealing with the great "unwashed" (me ) , resulting in horrendous queues.

Your fault for flying from Manc, could have flown from your local airport at Liverpool to CDG.

[woody]

Originally Posted by bluesnapper

Your fault for flying from Manc, could have flown from your local airport at Liverpool to CDG.

Your right , but as I work for a Manc company and they choose the route and pay for the tickets I have say how they get us to jobs.
But in the past the company has routed us through JLA .

[bluesnapper]

Should tell them that they could save money (flight by easyJet in this case) and time (car parking, check-in and security check having no, or very little, queues at LPL) by flying from Liverpool.

[liverpolitan]

Originally Posted by woody

Your right , but as I work for a Manc company and they choose the route and pay for the tickets I have say how they get us to jobs.
But in the past the company has routed us through JLA .

Woody I do my own travel these days as I am sick of the official agents wasting my employers money and my time by routing me in stupid ways and going on expensive airlines - then I just charge the expenses back. As long as I can prove I got a better deal than the agents could - and don't charge their £25 booking fee (!!!!!!!!!!!!! for an internet booking, I ask you) it's okay.

Also, make them pay your futureforrests carbon nuetralisation tax on each flight - it's not acceptable for companies to be flying people to Paris and not paying around £20 per return leg on nuetralising the carbon.

I'm sorry, but I hate Manchester Airport as much as I hate Heathrow, I'd do anything to avoid it, it's a hell hole. No travel clerk has the right to make you go there.

[kung_fuzi]

Reported in todays Daily Post that Passenger numbers rose 11% in October compared with the same month last year.

Other local airports show a 68% rise at Blackpool and a 3.1% fall at Manchester.

[Scarecrow]

A 68% rise at Blckpool?!?

[bustcapl]

Originally Posted by Bunnyman

A 68% rise at Blckpool?!?

yeah Jet2 are basing aircraft there now... remember its coming from a very low base!

[westisbest]

The JLA thread keeps getting locked and it is a mojor part of Liverpool soplease keep it open. A few weeks back someone said the work to the right of the main entry road by speke hall was more car parkin, looking on the MP 2030 there is a new apron there, also there is a lot more machinery than what you would expect from a car park

[scouseyuppie01]

im working on a 3d Version of the plan, will post it later.....

[westisbest]

It is also on NWAN that FSG are askin for permission to fly 3 of the JLA-JFK flights VIA Knock

[bluesnapper]

To save someone copying my post on NWAN here it is:

As I understand the Knock stop, at the moment its just an application to gain permission for the Liverpool/New York JFK service to stop there en-route.

But I cannot see anything other than passengers being put off by this routing even though it looks as if its only three per week out of the daily flights.

I also see that for the Liverpool/JFK route:

* they intend to carry passengers between Liverpool and JFK, Knock and JFK AND ALSO Liverpool and Knock.

* seating capacity is approx 183 per flight and are aiming to sell 164 per flight which is 90% of the total.

* revenue is forecast to be $25.3million in the 11 months of operation with expenses being $24million, which produces a profit of $1.3million.

[liverpolitan]

Originally Posted by westisbest

It is also on NWAN that FSG are askin for permission to fly 3 of the JLA-JFK flights VIA Knock

hmmm, that doesn't sound very good, does it? It's not really a direct service if you have to put down in another airport en route, it's not just that it's bound to add an hour or so to the time, but it introduces added risk of delay depending upon what is going in in Knock. Also, it's environmentally very damaging as a lot of the fuel burn (and therefore pollution) is required to get the plane up from the ground to cruising altitude.

I'm not very confident in Flyglobespan, and hope they can be taken over or sort themselves out a bit.

[bluesnapper]

Just another point.

Is the airport site the second biggest in terms of numbers of employees after the city council in Liverpool?

[liverpolitan]

I bet the Universities are far bigger employers / sites if you look at the entire campus areas.

[Megga]

dont forget the nhs, they are massive employers

[kung_fuzi]

Originally Posted by westisbest

The JLA thread keeps getting locked and it is a mojor part of Liverpool soplease keep it open. A few weeks back someone said the work to the right of the main entry road by speke hall was more car parkin, looking on the MP 2030 there is a new apron there, also there is a lot more machinery than what you would expect from a car park

Westi,it's on page 3,i'll bring it back for you.

[kung_fuzi]

For the benefit of Westi.

[richie1878]

Yeah, I'd say the Royal and Liverpool PCT and probably Aintree would be a bigger employer.