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delores · September 7th, 2008, 07:34 AM

They can do it in China, all be it with thousands of low paid workers, but if there is a will there must be a way and building the terminal should not be left to a bunch of Baffoon's at BAA but the Government or even part of the Olympic delivery team. It's essential for the games to run smoothly but having only a small part finished is not good enough, again we will be shamed for failing.

iampuking · September 7th, 2008, 07:35 PM

Are you seriously implying that the Government are lesser buffoons than the buffoons at BAA?

They're all in the same boat, to me.

NothingBetterToDo · September 7th, 2008, 10:58 PM

If i hear anyone say "they can do it in China" again i will scream

delores · September 7th, 2008, 11:38 PM

ok sorry I won't say it again, I'm just frustrated by the UK's failure in tackling projects such as this and on time..we have 4 years, you would of thought in that time it could be done?

amirtaheri · September 8th, 2008, 10:24 AM

erm.... we are a democracy and we actually care about workers dying on our construction sites.

We have a planning process which is far more democratic than any other country in the world, so planning takes a while. We aren't like China where we just issue a notice of eviction and the police turn up the following day to boot people out, we are far more civilised.

We also are far safer when it comes to working practices than China. The number of people who died whilst constructing all the facilities for the Olympics is far higher than those of Heathrow Terminal 5....

delores · September 9th, 2008, 12:02 AM

Yes we do have a planning process that is democratic and fair, but this already has planning? So we are over that hurdle already. Back to the building. We are at the mercy of BAA who spout alot of crap about how great they are and building us fantastic airports but what have we got? terminal 5. thats it. We have the olympics coming up and again they are failing to deliver an airport in 4 whole years? It isn't good enough no matter how good our building standards are to china, this terminal should be finished and by 2012.

N1 · September 9th, 2008, 09:55 PM

I dont necessarily think that monopolies cannot work (if well regulated) but in the case BAA I say bring it on. They have had plenty of time to get their act right - and its obvious to a blind man that they got it wrong.

delores · September 9th, 2008, 11:33 PM

I think the blind man would of tripped over the crappy carpet or scuffed his head on the low ceilings.
Just one example is your arrival to the uk at heathrow. You get off the plane at one of the gates and have to guide yourself through an absolute maze of corridors and passageways, then finally after at least 10 mins or more of walking you arrive at passport control where you are taken into a large hall with fowl decor and plastic flowers that have not been cleaned for at least 10 years ,its not been refurbished it looks for 20 years. Welcome to the uk.

CharlieP · September 10th, 2008, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delores

you are taken into a large hall with fowl decor

What, like this?

delores · September 10th, 2008, 11:26 PM

ha ha actually that would look better than it is now.

potto · September 11th, 2008, 01:07 PM

Ah I get it now!

cle · September 11th, 2008, 05:34 PM

It is shameful - terminals 1 and 2 are the worst at least.

I think it's somewhat embarrassing - take terminal 3 where the majority of long haul people come in (except BA), lots of Asians and Yanks on their home airlines (including business people and first time investors/visitors). Virgin must hate it too, hardly consistent with the brand! The passport area is rancid, the walking ridiculous and the ceiling is far too low.

Even the passport hall at Newark airport is cavernous and impressive, even though they only usually have one rude bastard working.

Splish · October 9th, 2008, 11:16 AM

Little off-topic but I just heard that the Transport Minister has backed the plans for expansion at Stansted.

delores · November 23rd, 2008, 12:23 AM

Anyone know what's happening here? I can't find much on BAA's website as usual.

Jim856796 · December 11th, 2008, 09:58 AM

I wonder if the old Terminal 2 had closed and demolition started after that. I haven't been to Heathrow in recent months.

staid_leming · December 26th, 2008, 10:45 PM

finally found an image of what T4 should look like from the outside when completed...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/livepine/1969367941/

putney80 · December 27th, 2008, 06:36 PM

The full design statement for heathrow east is now on the lb of hillingdon website:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...0Sept%2008.pdf

Includes a load of interior/exterior images, plans etc...

GeorgeHarveyBone · December 27th, 2008, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staid_leming

finally found an image of what T4 should look like from the outside when completed...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/livepine/1969367941/

Thank you very much. It's hard to believe the near-total lack of any info/pics on this (presumably very large) project

Langur · December 27th, 2008, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by putney80

The full design statement for heathrow east is now on the lb of hillingdon website:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...0Sept%2008.pdf

Includes a load of interior/exterior images, plans etc...

Thanks for that. The new design looks much better.

staid_leming · December 28th, 2008, 01:48 AM

looks good - but cant say its having the same wow factor as terminal 5 did on me?

maybe im going off foster?!

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September 9th, 2008, 12:02 AM	#166
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,605 Likes (Received): 36	Yes we do have a planning process that is democratic and fair, but this already has planning? So we are over that hurdle already. Back to the building. We are at the mercy of BAA who spout alot of crap about how great they are and building us fantastic airports but what have we got? terminal 5. thats it. We have the olympics coming up and again they are failing to deliver an airport in 4 whole years? It isn't good enough no matter how good our building standards are to china, this terminal should be finished and by 2012. Last edited by delores; September 9th, 2008 at 11:25 PM.

December 11th, 2008, 09:58 AM	#175
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December 27th, 2008, 06:36 PM	#177
putney80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: London Posts: 21 Likes (Received): 0	Planning App The full design statement for heathrow east is now on the lb of hillingdon website: http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...0Sept%2008.pdf Includes a load of interior/exterior images, plans etc...

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September 7th, 2008, 07:34 AM	#161
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,605 Likes (Received): 36	They can do it in China, all be it with thousands of low paid workers, but if there is a will there must be a way and building the terminal should not be left to a bunch of Baffoon's at BAA but the Government or even part of the Olympic delivery team. It's essential for the games to run smoothly but having only a small part finished is not good enough, again we will be shamed for failing.

September 7th, 2008, 07:35 PM	#162
iampuking Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,767 Likes (Received): 1	Are you seriously implying that the Government are lesser buffoons than the buffoons at BAA? They're all in the same boat, to me.

September 7th, 2008, 11:38 PM	#164
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,605 Likes (Received): 36	ok sorry I won't say it again, I'm just frustrated by the UK's failure in tackling projects such as this and on time..we have 4 years, you would of thought in that time it could be done?

September 8th, 2008, 10:24 AM	#165
amirtaheri Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 302 Likes (Received): 1	erm.... we are a democracy and we actually care about workers dying on our construction sites. We have a planning process which is far more democratic than any other country in the world, so planning takes a while. We aren't like China where we just issue a notice of eviction and the police turn up the following day to boot people out, we are far more civilised. We also are far safer when it comes to working practices than China. The number of people who died whilst constructing all the facilities for the Olympics is far higher than those of Heathrow Terminal 5....

September 9th, 2008, 09:55 PM	#167
N1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 346 Likes (Received): 0	I dont necessarily think that monopolies cannot work (if well regulated) but in the case BAA I say bring it on. They have had plenty of time to get their act right - and its obvious to a blind man that they got it wrong.

September 9th, 2008, 11:33 PM	#168
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,605 Likes (Received): 36	I think the blind man would of tripped over the crappy carpet or scuffed his head on the low ceilings. Just one example is your arrival to the uk at heathrow. You get off the plane at one of the gates and have to guide yourself through an absolute maze of corridors and passageways, then finally after at least 10 mins or more of walking you arrive at passport control where you are taken into a large hall with fowl decor and plastic flowers that have not been cleaned for at least 10 years ,its not been refurbished it looks for 20 years. Welcome to the uk.

September 10th, 2008, 11:26 PM	#170
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,605 Likes (Received): 36	ha ha actually that would look better than it is now.

September 11th, 2008, 01:07 PM	#171
potto Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 13,597 Likes (Received): 422	Ah I get it now!

September 11th, 2008, 05:34 PM	#172
cle Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,039 Likes (Received): 45	It is shameful - terminals 1 and 2 are the worst at least. I think it's somewhat embarrassing - take terminal 3 where the majority of long haul people come in (except BA), lots of Asians and Yanks on their home airlines (including business people and first time investors/visitors). Virgin must hate it too, hardly consistent with the brand! The passport area is rancid, the walking ridiculous and the ceiling is far too low. Even the passport hall at Newark airport is cavernous and impressive, even though they only usually have one rude bastard working.

October 9th, 2008, 11:16 AM	#173
Splish Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Surrey, U.K. Posts: 3,574 Likes (Received): 54	Little off-topic but I just heard that the Transport Minister has backed the plans for expansion at Stansted.

November 23rd, 2008, 12:23 AM	#174
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,605 Likes (Received): 36	Anyone know what's happening here? I can't find much on BAA's website as usual.

December 26th, 2008, 10:45 PM	#176
staid_leming Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 62 Likes (Received): 0	finally found an image of what T4 should look like from the outside when completed... http://www.flickr.com/photos/livepine/1969367941/

December 28th, 2008, 01:48 AM	#180
staid_leming Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 62 Likes (Received): 0	looks good - but cant say its having the same wow factor as terminal 5 did on me? maybe im going off foster?!