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Old November 3rd, 2006, 01:53 AM   #21
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Cat eyes should be mandatory everywhere. They are really helpful.

In Toronto, roads are extremely well lit - to an extent that it's almost overdone. You have enough light to read a newspaper.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 07:39 AM   #22
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I find Toronto's residential side streets to be very poorly lit. It's quite dark down there. I doubt it is economically feasible or necessary to light these quiet streets too brightly.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 03:14 PM   #23
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I find Toronto's residential side streets to be very poorly lit. It's quite dark down there. I doubt it is economically feasible or necessary to light these quiet streets too brightly.
Neighbourhood might not want to b e too bright also.
Too bright will affect the indoor life.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 03:15 PM   #24
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Cat eyes should be mandatory everywhere. They are really helpful.

In Toronto, roads are extremely well lit - to an extent that it's almost overdone. You have enough light to read a newspaper.
Cat eyes are quite expensive, it will signicficantly increase the cost of project.
Second, many people do steal them from the road and sell for money.
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Old November 5th, 2006, 11:32 AM   #25
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Haven't heard of cat's eyes being stolen and sold before. Over here, they're found on basically all urban roads, with reflectors on posts for rural roads instead.

We get rumble strips on the sides of highways in the country as well.
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Old November 12th, 2006, 08:14 PM   #26
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'Cat eyes' or 'Bot Dots' are used all over California:



Most states don't use them though... other than California, Washington, Oregon and Hawaii.
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Old November 12th, 2006, 08:54 PM   #27
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Yeah, but here, they are used instead of markings. In Europe, we use reflecting markings, only very old road markings neets cat's eyes, because they don't reflect.
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Old November 13th, 2006, 01:23 AM   #28
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Lately in Halifax they've been splurging a bit on extra streetlights in new interchanges:


(New highway 118 improvementsoutside of Dartmouth)

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Old November 13th, 2006, 02:15 AM   #29
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^ Well Halifax is a regional power, it probably makes sense.

There are a few spots around Toronto that probably have overkill



They have to build this lower light fixtures around this area because of proximity to the airport.
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Old November 13th, 2006, 03:35 AM   #30
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NVM

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Old November 14th, 2006, 06:03 PM   #31
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Yeah, but here, they are used instead of markings. In Europe, we use reflecting markings, only very old road markings neets cat's eyes, because they don't reflect.
You dont use cats eyes in the Netherlands and Northern Europe (and the northern US) because they interfere with snowplows when it snows. In southern Europe cats eyes are used too.
Btw. the ''reflective'' paint (used in the Netherlands) aint that reflective and the Netherlands has never used cats eyes on a large scale (even on old roads).
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Old November 16th, 2006, 04:46 PM   #32
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Freeways probably need the least lighting out of any sort of road (indeed, a few freeways here have no lights at all) because they lack tight curves and intersections.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 02:42 AM   #33
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Here in Belgium just every street has lighting. It's incredible!!
Sometimes it's too much, almost every 20 meters!
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Old March 21st, 2008, 05:05 AM   #34
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Cat eyes are fairly rare in North America.
i was gonna say, r u kidding? california has them EVERYWHERE. maybe the exception is snow areas, but even then they often just 'bury' them into the asphalt.

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'Cat eyes' or 'Bot Dots' are used all over California:

Most states don't use them though... other than California, Washington, Oregon and Hawaii.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 01:33 PM   #35
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'Cat eyes' or 'Bot Dots' are used all over California:

Most states don't use them though... other than California, Washington, Oregon and Hawaii.
What about Arizona, Nevada, Texas, New Mexico
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Old March 21st, 2008, 02:07 PM   #36
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Cats Eyes can be destroyes when a snow plow is clearing the road. That's the reason why they aren't used in the Northern States.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 02:29 PM   #37
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If you mean reflective pieces between lanes as cats eyes, then we use them in Estonia too. The problem with these is that they get dirty very easily so they're seen well only on rather new roads.
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 09:44 AM   #38
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In Israel many 2-lane roads have cat-eyes, especially on the two outer edges of the road (the middle doesn't always have them). With Israel's many mountainous winding roads these are very useful for safety. In general, Israel has very good markings on the edges of the road. If cat-eyes are not present, there is always at least a yellow line at the outer edge (unlike in North America, in Israel the yellow line delineates the outer edge of the road).

In Ontario, from my limited experience, 2-lane roads have cat-eyes only on tight curves. For example, while driving on Highway 26 north of Toronto, I encountered them whenever there was a curve (they had an interesting bluish glow to them, as opposed to the standard reflection), but otherwise they do not exist.

I also don't like the fact that in many countries, including Canada, the outer edges of the road are often unmarked because of old age (i.e. from what I understand, a solid white line is always painted but it is rarely repainted on time when roads age). Highway 26 which I mentioned previously has great markings, but some other highways, like Highways 9 and 10, don't. As I already stated before, in my opinion the outer edges are much more important than centre markings for night driving, since as long as you can see the edge line and avoid crossing it, while keeping as close to it as possible from its left side, you should be fine.

But regarding cat-eyes, the snow plough argument is interesting, I never thought of it before. Perhaps this is the reason they aren't used as much in Canada (at least in Ontario), although I think it's mostly a cost issue.
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 12:22 PM   #39
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But regarding cat-eyes, the snow plough argument is interesting, I never thought of it before. Perhaps this is the reason they aren't used as much in Canada (at least in Ontario), although I think it's mostly a cost issue.
I think it has more to do with snow ploughs than cost.

Cats eyes are unbeatable for night visability
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 07:16 PM   #40
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This kind of lightning really destroys the landscape... Why so many lampposts? And why are they so insane high?
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