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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:14 PM   #1
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MISC | Largest cities without metro/subway and smallest cities with it

About metro/subway/undergroud - does anybody know which are the largest cities without subway in Europe? As i know - there are Belgrad with 2 million inhabitants without metro.

And which are the smallest cities with subway in Europe?

And - in the world?

Riga has 740 thousands inhabitants (~940 thousand in 1990)and aoesn't have metro.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:32 PM   #2
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We had a similar discussion before; Belgrade seemed to be the largest city without an underground system. But I bet that worldwide, there are many cities that are way larger than Belgrade without a metro system. Think of the mega-cities in Africa, or India.
The smallest city in the world with a metro system - as far as I know - is Lille, with 210.000 inhabitants in the city proper. The urban area, though, is much larger with about 1 million people living in it.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 01:25 PM   #3
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smallest with a subway in Europe
Rennes
206 229 inh
metroplitain area 550 000

and soon Lausanne 128,432
Greater Lausanne 250,000
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Old October 27th, 2006, 06:06 PM   #4
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In Brescia, North Italy, 70 km east of Milan, a subway line is under construction.

Brescia have 192.165 in the 2004 Census. Metro area around 500.000

In July 2000, tenders have been invited for an automated 18 km long automated light metro, which will be similar to the VAL system in Lille, Toulouse, Vancouver or in Rennes. 5.8 km will be in a deep tunnel under the city centre, 900 m will be just under the surface and the remaining 11.3 km will be on a viaduct. The system, referred to as Metrobus, will be developed within 7 years with construction start in 2003.

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Old October 28th, 2006, 08:29 AM   #5
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Melbourne and Sydney have surburban rail lines but not metros, and they are 3.7 and 4.2 million people respectively.
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Old October 28th, 2006, 09:55 AM   #6
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Serfaus in Tyrol, Austria has the smallest subway system in the world, called the Dorfbahn Serfaus. The village has 1300 inhabitants. Link here

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Old October 28th, 2006, 09:35 PM   #7
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Brescia will use the same technology as Copenaghen, short automated trains on steel, and not the VAL (by the way, Vancouver doesn't have a VAL, but another type of metro on steel, still differend from Copenaghen).

And, please, Serfaus doesn't have a real metro. If it has, every city with a funicular could be considered with a metro. Funiculars and people mover don't count!

The smallest city with a real metro (mostly underground, totally segregated from other traffic, with indipendent heavy, even if short, trains), will be Lausanne.
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Old October 28th, 2006, 09:58 PM   #8
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Managua has around 1 million people, but public transit there is, wow...
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Old October 28th, 2006, 10:16 PM   #9
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Managua has around 1 million people, but public transit there is, wow...
what that's "wow" menas?
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Old October 28th, 2006, 10:22 PM   #10
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Panama City, Panama. The city itself has around 702,000 to even close to 800,000 people living in the city. Surrounding areas that would be around 1.2 to 1.5 million people. As far as the situation with traffic, it is bad, but the roads aren't bad, but there is still a traffic problem. A train system for the city is still under discussion.
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In Tijuana, Mexico we are almost 2 million people and we dont have a metro. It is, like in Panama City, still under discussion. In Mexico, just Mexico City, Monterrey and Guadalajara have metro.
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Old October 28th, 2006, 11:24 PM   #12
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The smallest city with a real metro (mostly underground, totally segregated from other traffic, with indipendent heavy, even if short, trains), will be Lausanne.
But now it is Rennes
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Detroit in the US has around 5,400,000 people and no metro system. It has a small people mover that goes in a circle downtown, but on world standards you can't really count that as a metro system - it only moves people through downtown after they're there.
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There have been threads already about the largest cities without metros and about the smallest cities with metros.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 05:10 AM   #16
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Jakarta has no metro. I believe 15 million people reside in the greater Jakarta area. Same goes with Dhaka.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 09:29 AM   #17
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Serfaus in Tyrol, Austria has the smallest subway system in the world, called the Dorfbahn Serfaus. The village has 1300 inhabitants. Link here
That's very interesting. I never knew that little system existed before. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. BTW, is it automated, or does it need a driver to operate?
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Melbourne and Sydney have surburban rail lines but not metros, and they are 3.7 and 4.2 million people respectively.
Alluding to my previous post above, perhaps the nearest thing Australia has to a true metro is the SkiTube in the Snowy Mountains in southern New South Wales. It operates on its' own exclusive tracks which it doesn't share with any other kind of train. Admittedly, no other trains could use it anyway as it's not connected to the outside railway system and it's also too steep, using a rack and cog system. The trains do resemble in some ways metro rolling stock found elsewhere though, having longitudinal seating and many sets of doors on each side of each carriage.

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Old October 29th, 2006, 09:53 AM   #19
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The system in Serfaus is a short people mover with one train and 4 stations, built only to transport skiers, being Serfaus a tourist village. I can't consider a metro, even if it is used also by local inhabitants

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There have been threads already about the largest cities without metros and about the smallest cities with metros.
Here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=404032
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Old October 29th, 2006, 07:15 PM   #20
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Bogota has a about 8 million inhabitants and it has no metro. This doesn't mean that it's tranport system isn't modern. Here we have the Transmilenio. A rapid bus system whic connnects all the city eith modern buses and modern stations. The buses run all over the city in private roads so that this system does not mix with the normal cars. As far as i know the only city that has metro in Colombia is Medellin.
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