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Old October 29th, 2006, 07:18 PM   #21
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Bogota has a about 8 million inhabitants and it has no metro. This doesn't mean that it's tranport system isn't modern. Here we have the Transmilenio. A rapid bus system which connnects all the city with modern buses and modern stations. The buses run all over the city in private roads so that this system does not mix with the normal cars. As far as i know the only city that has metro in Colombia is Medellin.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 07:19 PM   #22
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oops sorry jejejejejejej twice the same reply..
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Old October 29th, 2006, 09:31 PM   #23
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It is true, Belgrade is the largest European city without a metro...with its ~2million population.

Ironically, Belgrade was supposed to be the third European city to get one, after London & Budapest...but the Balkan Wars, World War I & II and other things delayed it until 21st century
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Old October 30th, 2006, 08:36 AM   #24
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Bogota has a about 8 million inhabitants and it has no metro. This doesn't mean that it's tranport system isn't modern. Here we have the Transmilenio. A rapid bus system whic connnects all the city eith modern buses and modern stations. The buses run all over the city in private roads so that this system does not mix with the normal cars. As far as i know the only city that has metro in Colombia is Medellin.
The Transmilenio was modelled on the system in Curitiba, Brazil, wasn't it? That system was 100 to 200 times cheaper to build than a metro covering the same distance, so I believe. Has Bogota had a similar experience cost-wise? Are there plans to expand the Transmilenio? I think it's a really good public transport solution for cities that can't afford a metro.
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Old October 30th, 2006, 02:21 PM   #25
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Serfaus in Tyrol, Austria has the smallest subway system in the world, called the Dorfbahn Serfaus. The village has 1300 inhabitants. Link here
That's not a metro, except for the fact that it doesn't share its right of way with any other mode of transport (and runs underground, but most metro systems have above-ground sections as well, or are entirely above ground).
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Old October 30th, 2006, 10:10 PM   #26
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Detroit is by far and away the largest city in the industrial countries.
It has a little downtown loop of a SkyTrain type but is just for going from building to building.
Detroit has no rail of any type including commuter rail. It doesn't even have BRT.
Its horrible.
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Old October 31st, 2006, 05:56 AM   #27
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Lima, Perú. More than 8,000,000 inhabitants and no metro or subway system!
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Old October 31st, 2006, 08:48 AM   #28
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Try Mumbai or Lagos for the largest!
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Old October 31st, 2006, 03:01 PM   #29
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Lagos,Nigeria has about 10 million people without any metro system. However, an agreement has been signed with Lenma International to construct a Light Railway Transit. See details here http://www.lemna.com/PressPDFs/Lagos%20LRT.pdf
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Lima is constructing a modern BRT system much like Curita, Bogota, and Quito. They can be very efficient people movers at a price the third world can afford.
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Old October 31st, 2006, 11:09 PM   #31
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I believe that Rochester, NY was the smallest city (pop. more or less 100,000) to build and then abandon a streetcar system. It operated from 1927 until 1956 when the tracks were paved over and replaced with an expressway. Since 1995 there have been proposals to design a light rail system for the city.
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Old November 1st, 2006, 01:01 AM   #32
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Lima is constructing a modern BRT system much like Curita, Bogota, and Quito. They can be very efficient people movers at a price the third world can afford.
Curitiba (Brasil), not Curita.
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Old November 14th, 2006, 08:34 PM   #33
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In Germany there´s a subway connecting the towns of Recklinghausen (120.000), Herne (170.000) and Bochum (370.000) all within the Rhein-Ruhr area.
As far as I know it was the first subway ever to be build between towns not within a big one.
So, Recklinghausen is the smallest town in the world with a metro station.
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Old November 14th, 2006, 11:37 PM   #34
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Lagos and Dhaka (population 15 million for both) have no metro or light rail. Dhaka, however, has 6 planned subway lines, while there are no plans for anything in the near future for Lagos, so I think we can see that its the largest metroless city in the world.
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Old November 14th, 2006, 11:39 PM   #35
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Try Mumbai or Lagos for the largest!
Mumbai has one of the largest suburban rail systems in the world, carrying 6 million passengers everyday. The fact that it does not have an "underground" railway system does not mean that it does not have a rapid transit system. Even though, it is a suburban rail system running at surface level, it has segregated tracks that are not shared with other trains. It is also grade separated from roads, for the most part. The Mumbai metro is also under construction now, with the first line having been contracted out. It will eventually have underground lines too.

There are several large cities in the Indian subcontinent without any mass transit system, though that will change.

In India, the following cities have a population > 2m
1. Delhi did not have a mass transit system (except a hardly-used ring railway) till 2001. But it has the most rapidly expanding metro now, with 65kms already operational and an additional 117kms under construction (to open in phases by end-2009). It currently carries 0.5m passengers, but will eventually carry about 2 m once the network is complete. Besides, Delhi is building a Bus Rapid Transit System (the first route is under construction) and planning a monorail line. It also has some suburban rail lines.
2. Mumbai (Bombay) has an almost 300km railway system. It is building an additional 100 kms or so of metro lines. As I mentioned, Mumbai is heavily dependent on its rail system, with 6 million commuters using it everyday. That probably makes it the second busiest urban transit system in the world after the Moscow Metro.
3. Kolkata (Calcutta) has one metro line (~16kms) and an extensive suburban rail network, carrying about 3 million passengers a day. An 8kms extension of the metro line is under construction and another line is currently being planned.
4. Chennai (Madras) has an elevated MRTS line and an extensive suburban system extending to more than 100kms. It carries more than 1m passengers every day.
5. Bangalore currently does not have a rail-based mass transit system, but is building one. It will extend to about 30kms in length once Phase I is complete and will have two lines, both partly underground and partly elevated.
6. Hyderabad has a suburban rail system called the Multi-Modal Transit System, but it is not heavily patronized. It is planning a metro network - the planning is in the final phases before the actual construction begins.
7. Ahmedabad is planning a bus rapid transit system. It has received funding approval and construction is to begin soon. There is occasional talk about a metro, but nothing concrete has happened yet.
8. Pune - the city is planning both a bus rapid transit system and a light metro/monorail option. The BRT line is under construction and the rail based option has not moved beyond planning stages.

Thus, all cities in India with a population greater than 2m will have a mass transit option before the end of the decade. Five of them currently have a system of some kind.

Pakistan:
There is no city with any significant rail-based transit option (or any other option). Karachi built a circular railway line, but it is really not a transit option (there are two services in each direction every day). The major cities there with population > 2m are Karachi, Lahore and Faisalabad. Karachi and Lahore have both planned rail-based systems, but it has not moved beyond the planning stage. Faisalabad is not planning any system currently. The twin-cities of Islamabad/Rawalpindi also have a popualation above the 2m threshold, but are not planning any project. AFAIK, no BRT or alternative transit option is planned in any Pakistani city as of now.

Bangladesh:
The two major cities are Dhaka and Chittagong and neither has any concrete plans for a mass transit option.

Sri Lanka:
Colombo is the main city - it has planned a metro in the past, but there are no concrete plans.

The largest cities in South Asia without a transit option today would thus include Karachi (pop. 14m), Dhaka (pop. 10m) Lahore (pop. 6m) and Bangalore (pop. 6m). With Bangalore's metro currently under construction, it would drop out of the list within the next 3-4 years.

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Old November 15th, 2006, 12:22 AM   #36
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Bangladesh:
The two major cities are Dhaka and Chittagong and neither has any concrete plans for a mass transit option.
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Local firm chosen to build Dhaka subway

The Ministry of Communications selected local firm Contech Limited for constructing a 52 kilometre long underground railway system in the densely populated capital and sent the proposal to the government's high-powered Private Sector Infrastructure Committee (PICOM) for final approval.

After a long meeting with the firm's Managing Director Masud Reza on Tuesday, Communications Minister Nazmul Huda gave the approval as he got satisfactory answers on some important questions about the construction method of the underground line, sources said.

"We have sent the proposal of Contech to PICOM and after their approval the company would get letter of intent (LOI) for starting work on the project," Communications Secretary Shafiqul Islam yesterday said.

As per the rules, the principal secretary of the Prime Minister's Office chairs the PICOM meeting and gives approval of a development project by a private company after a ministry forwards it.

The company was selected as it was the lowest bidder in the pre-qualification tender and the government would not go for calling tender again, the communications secretary said.

He, however, observed that the company would have to pass some more stages before going for physical construction.

The selection was given on the basis of an international tender called by Bangladesh Railway in 2002 seeking application for establishing a metro rail system in the capital, sources said.

Only two firms had participated in the bid and local firm Contech Limited was the lowest bidder as it proposed to construct the 52-kilometre underground railway at a cost of Tk 5,200 crore.

The company would construct the metro rail on build, own, operate and transfer (BOOT) basis. As per BOOT guidelines, after getting LOI the private company would prepare terms and conditions and other requirements for a formal agreement with the authorities concerned.

After signing the agreement, the authority would issue work order for implementing the project. All this formalities would have to be completed within three months after issuing LOI, says the guideline.

Earlier, the Ministry of Communications decided to go for a feasibility study and sent a proposal to the Planning Commission seeking Tk 7 crore for the study. As the Planning Commission did not respond to the proposal, the ministry later abandoned the idea.

Consequently, the communications ministry asked the local firm to submit details of its legal status, technical, management and financial capabilities for project implementation and experience and status of ownership in the proposed project.

The company submitted all the required documents and informed the ministry that MTRC of Hong Kong will work as the constructor, Sena Kalyan Sangstha, Bangladesh as financier and project manager, the Bangladesh University of Engineering and Technology (BUET) as the leading consultant.

Hitachi of Japan will supply the equipment and JBIC will provide suppliers credit and syndicated bank loan for the project. The firm also provided authorised letters from the company concerned and some of the officials of those partner organisations met high officials of the communications ministry confirming their involvement.

If his firm finally gets the approval of PICOM the metro line would be established within a period of three years, Masud Reza said, adding that the line would be established through cut and cover method which is much less costly than the tunnel boring method.

He expects to start construction work from this winter after finishing all the formalities.

The company proposed to build six routes with double line beginning from Syedabad to Gabtoli via Mohakhali. The fare in the metro rail will be almost the same as in intra-city bus services in Dhaka.

The company sought 30 years concession time for recovering its investment.

http://www.thedailystar.net/2006/06/30/d6063001107.htm
So yes currently with a population of 15 million, Dhaka is one of the largest cities without a metro but this won't be for long.
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Thanks for the info. This is recent. Though from reading the report, I don't see if there is a final approval for the project yet. I also see from reading the report that it is proposed as a BOT project. Any ideas of whether there will be a subsidy from the Government? I don't know of any major mass transit system in the world that can be built without explicit or implicit subsidies (the one profitable metro is the Hong Kong metro but it received indirect subsidies in the form of prime land that it earns money from).
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Lima, Perú. More than 8,000,000 inhabitants and no metro or subway system!
Lima does have a metro system. Service was sporadic when the system was completed in 1995. Regular service finally began in 2004 with plans to add to the network, currently consisting of one 10-km line with 6 stations.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 04:35 AM   #39
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Lima does have a metro system. Service was sporadic when the system was completed in 1995. Regular service finally began in 2004 with plans to add to the network, currently consisting of one 10-km line with 6 stations.
I was in Lima last week and there is NO metro system nowadays.

There is an electric train under construction.
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I was in Lima last week and there is NO metro system nowadays.

There is an electric train under construction.
My mistake then. I guess our friend Mr. Schwandl needs to update his website as it still lists Lima as having an active system. I wondered when the link to the system website didn't work.
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