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Old October 26th, 2008, 06:54 PM   #241
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Another wannabe-modern NYC tower going up to spoil a historic highrise ensemble...


Furthermore, considering the renders, this is goin to turn out pretty tacky.
I hope we're going to see some classier designs for this area in the future.
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Old October 26th, 2008, 11:42 PM   #242
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Another wannebe skyscraperfan going to spoil this forums with anti-sentiment...
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Old October 27th, 2008, 12:09 AM   #243
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Excuse me, but not all skyscrapers look good, although most do. It's those few ugly ones that make their way through all the paperwork and get approved; it's those that I hate.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 04:18 AM   #244
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good thing this one is not the case. For me one of the most beautiful skyscrapers in the world, original and modern, without abusing with glass. Perfect.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 01:29 PM   #245
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Another wannebe skyscraperfan going to spoil this forums with anti-sentiment...
What the heck's a "wannebe skyscraperfan"? Dude, you should check your vocabulary. I'm not an infantine fan, but an enthusiast, anyway. A more than slight difference.

I guess I should fall into euphoria and glorify this piece of crap - such as any premature kid looking at any fugly tower around SSC. Good to see people are still free to form their own views.

Of course, NYC got some nice proposals lately. But that's not the case here, at least not within this invaluable historic skyscraper ensemble (Woolworth Building, Park Row Building, Transportation Building, Broadway Buildings, the City Hall as a lowrise - virtually nearly everything around City Hall Park). There already are some ugly post-war shoeboxes around, but they don't impair the City Hall Park ensemble as much as Beekman Place will do.
This tower (99 Church Street) is an adequate addition to such an area, even if it could still be improved a lot.

I wouldn't have any problem if this tower would replace one of those baffling apartment towers across the park (those ones at the Brooklyn Bridge western ramp e.g., or the office tower right next to them). But this way it's just to deep digged in this unique historic part of the city.


As if it wouldn't be enough that they destroyed the awesome Newspaper Row for those awful Brooklyn Bridge ramps...

But well, it's not my cup of tea. If New York wants to proceed with its self-destruction, it should do so.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 05:45 PM   #246
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Beekman place... the AQUA of NYC.
I don't know why you would call this the Aqua of NYC. The two buildings are pretty different.



Aqua's form is essentially a rectangular prism, enhanced with undulating ridges. 8 Spruce is a T-shaped tower with several setbacks.

Aqua is glass and cement and 8 Spruce is metal and glass.

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Old October 27th, 2008, 08:43 PM   #247
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What the heck's a "wannebe skyscraperfan"? Dude, you should check your vocabulary. I'm not an infantine fan, but an enthusiast, anyway. A more than slight difference.

I guess I should fall into euphoria and glorify this piece of crap - such as any premature kid looking at any fugly tower around SSC. Good to see people are still free to form their own views.

Of course, NYC got some nice proposals lately. But that's not the case here, at least not within this invaluable historic skyscraper ensemble (Woolworth Building, Park Row Building, Transportation Building, Broadway Buildings, the City Hall as a lowrise - virtually nearly everything around City Hall Park). There already are some ugly post-war shoeboxes around, but they don't impair the City Hall Park ensemble as much as Beekman Place will do.
This tower (99 Church Street) is an adequate addition to such an area, even if it could still be improved a lot.

I wouldn't have any problem if this tower would replace one of those baffling apartment towers across the park (those ones at the Brooklyn Bridge western ramp e.g., or the office tower right next to them). But this way it's just to deep digged in this unique historic part of the city.


As if it wouldn't be enough that they destroyed the awesome Newspaper Row for those awful Brooklyn Bridge ramps...

But well, it's not my cup of tea. If New York wants to proceed with its self-destruction, it should do so.
why dont you cry about it? this is 2008, not 1850.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #248
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This building is totally different than aqua. I think it's way more attractive than aqua. The only thing they have in common is the "deformed" type look, but each project does that look in a different way. And also not to mention they have a totally different shape.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 11:33 PM   #249
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The sinous shapes would be inevitably powerful.

It is the quality and precision of the cladding that would keep away the tackiness. Especially how they reflect the light.

At night it could be hulkingly ugly with bad cladding, but wildly beautiful with the right cladding & good lighting.

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Indeed but if you read two posts above yours (No. 240) I kindda said that before you did! (No. 238) Hihi!

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Old October 28th, 2008, 02:26 AM   #250
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why dont you cry about it? this is 2008, not 1850.
couldn't agree more actually... they left their mark on the city, why shouldn't our and future generations do the same?

and this is not some Kleindorf, where u can chop a spruce and a beech tree to make a building, it's friggin Manhattan where not every low grade building from the days of yore needs to be preserved.
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Old October 28th, 2008, 10:51 PM   #251
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I was in NYC two days ago ... my favorite uncle lives in Southbridge Towers at 90 Gold Street, less than 1 block away from this. I counted about 20 floors completed so far.
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Old October 28th, 2008, 11:18 PM   #252
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I'm not saying they're twins, they both have same idea of wavy surface and etc...
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Old October 29th, 2008, 05:00 PM   #253
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I'm not saying they're twins, they both have same idea of wavy surface and etc...

Dude, just drop it! If people can't see the similarities between both towers, don't waste your time explaining the obvious.
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Old October 29th, 2008, 06:41 PM   #254
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BUILT BUILT NOW GOD DAMN IT!
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Old October 30th, 2008, 02:35 AM   #255
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Wow great progress!
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Old November 4th, 2008, 10:20 PM   #256
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Old November 5th, 2008, 12:17 AM   #257
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I'm really excited about this one! Lower Manhattan hasn't something worthy of its reputation since... A hell of a long time!
It's about time.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 02:36 AM   #258
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Very fast progress... Amazing!
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Old November 5th, 2008, 04:56 AM   #259
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i get off 2 stops early on the 4/5 just to look at this masterpiece going up. i love it! its zoooming up!
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Old November 5th, 2008, 05:32 AM   #260
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