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Old September 10th, 2008, 07:37 PM   #181
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That's not true. Berlin is very artificial with recently build museums, palaces and old buildings, but instead of using original materials, they are using concrete! There is a big uproar about a palace being built near the Berliner Dome because you see these huge concrete cores rising up.

Not withstanding, the wealthy area is actually North of Mitte...or East Berlin. That's where many luxurious car shops are located.
Only parts of Berlin are "artificial" and modern. There are still pockets of history throughout the city outside of the centre, though nowhere near as extensive as other European cities.

I can't help but doubt that all reconstruction has used concrete (new construction, yes, but not reconstruction). Reconstructions tend to favour the use of original materials - take a look at Dresden.
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Old September 10th, 2008, 08:51 PM   #182
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That's not true. Berlin is very artificial with recently build museums, palaces and old buildings, but instead of using original materials, they are using concrete! There is a big uproar about a palace being built near the Berliner Dome because you see these huge concrete cores rising up.

Not withstanding, the wealthy area is actually North of Mitte...or East Berlin. That's where many luxurious car shops are located.
Hello Miliux!

I have to correct you. The city of Berlin is indeed planning to reconstruct the Berliner Stadtschloss (the palace you're talking about), but they are not even close to groundbreaking yet. The 'huge concrete cores' you mentioned are actually the last remainders of the Pallast der Republik, which was the seat of communist East-Germany. That building stood on the site of the to be reconstructed palace.

And there has been an uproar, but not because of the palace's huge concrete cores (because they aren't part of the palace at all!), but because of the fact that some people wanted to keep the now demolished Pallast der Republik, and others were (and are) against the rebuilding of the Stadtschloss itself.
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Old September 10th, 2008, 08:58 PM   #183
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Only parts of Berlin are "artificial" and modern. There are still pockets of history throughout the city outside of the centre, though nowhere near as extensive as other European cities.

I can't help but doubt that all reconstruction has used concrete (new construction, yes, but not reconstruction). Reconstructions tend to favour the use of original materials - take a look at Dresden.
About half of Berlin are prewar buildings. The reconstructions were nearly all made of authentic material. Anyway some recent reconstructions used concrete or other materials to be more "arty" or modern like the Neues Museum or inner parts of the upcoming City Palace.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 12:10 AM   #184
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More of the trendy&shiny areas:



















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Old September 11th, 2008, 06:10 AM   #185
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About half of Berlin are prewar buildings. The reconstructions were nearly all made of authentic material. Anyway some recent reconstructions used concrete or other materials to be more "arty" or modern like the Neues Museum or inner parts of the upcoming City Palace.
Thank you for backing up what I was saying. I'm glad that Berlin did indeed use original materials for the most part.

Also, these latest shots are great!
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Old September 11th, 2008, 04:33 PM   #186
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Berlin before 1930 and after 1990 got known as the "stony Berlin" (steinernes Berlin), mainly because laws ordered the use of stone as facades in many parts of berlin. Probably a reminiscence to old imperial Berlin.

Some more of Berlin, just a few days old. Every single building could tell its own story.



















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Old September 14th, 2008, 12:36 AM   #187
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Often requested, finally here: images of the main boulevard Unter den Linden reaching from the Brandenburg Gate to the Museum Island with the Dome. Fresh images from today (saturday).





























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Old September 14th, 2008, 01:52 AM   #188
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paderwan, my hero!

See...Berlin can be beautiful (very beautiful) too!

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Seh ich das richtig? Das Prinzenpalais ist endlich abgerüstet?
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Old September 14th, 2008, 08:33 AM   #189
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Thanks for the Unter den Linden photos. There was construction in the middle of the road near the Brandenburg Gate, what is this for and is it nearly finished?
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Old September 14th, 2008, 08:36 AM   #190
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Am I the only one who doesn't find Unter den Linden the most interesting part in Berlin?

Anyway, Justme, that construction area in the middle of U. den Linden is the U55, which will run between S Unter den Linden (to be renamed Brandenburger Tor) and Hauptbahnhof.
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Old September 14th, 2008, 08:39 AM   #191
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Nice shots of Unter den Linden! I can't wait for the U5 and U55 to be joined to provide a proper link to the Hbf, though this is a long time away.
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Old September 14th, 2008, 01:06 PM   #192
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paderwan, my hero!

See...Berlin can be beautiful (very beautiful) too!

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Seh ich das richtig? Das Prinzenpalais ist endlich abgerüstet?
Das Prinzenpalais ist leider nur zur Hälfte abgerüstet, die andere Hälfte dauert wohl noch die nächsten drei Jahre...


Besides I wanted to take a look into the Neue Wache, but the entrance was blocked.

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Old September 14th, 2008, 04:45 PM   #193
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Am I the only one who doesn't find Unter den Linden the most interesting part in Berlin?
Everyone has a different view on this. But I just love grand old architecture and this part of Berlin is unfortunately one of the very few, that would be really worthy of a grand european capital, that Berlin is/was.
If you are on Unter den Linden you can at least imagine that Berlin once was an impressive beauty, close to London, Paris, Vienna...

I am SO looking forward to the reconstruction of the Stadtschloss (castle), as well as the finally completed Museumsinsel and Schinkelplatz with the Bauakademie. Will look great in the Future!
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Old September 15th, 2008, 01:04 AM   #194
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It seems that everyone likes different places in Berlin. The average image gallery goes like this:
1 Brandenburg Gate
2 Reichstag
3 The Wall with fake soldiers
4 Potsdamer Platz
5 Holocaust Mem.
and thats it.

Wenn I walked by the Schinkelplatz one girl said, that the rests of the Palace of the republic rock and the Imperial Palace sucks...

Svartmetall, I'm surprissed how well informed you are about berlin. You know much more that the average Berliner.
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Old September 15th, 2008, 05:19 AM   #195
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Am I the only one who doesn't find Unter den Linden the most interesting part in Berlin?

Anyway, Justme, that construction area in the middle of U. den Linden is the U55, which will run between S Unter den Linden (to be renamed Brandenburger Tor) and Hauptbahnhof.
I love Unter den Linden and find it to be super interesting. When will the Pariser Platz station for the U55 open?? It seems they've been constructing it forever!
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Old September 15th, 2008, 05:31 AM   #196
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It seems that everyone likes different places in Berlin. The average image gallery goes like this:
1 Brandenburg Gate
2 Reichstag
3 The Wall with fake soldiers
4 Potsdamer Platz
5 Holocaust Mem.
and thats it.
My impression is different. It seems lately that Berlin threads are all pics of run-down, communist, abandoned, concrete, buildings, with graffiti all over them. I also find there to be a lot of resentment towards Berlin from Germans from other parts of Germany on this site. Whenever someone tries to start a nice Berlin thread showing it's nicest areas off (which by the way, is precisely what all of the other threads here for other cities do as well) there is always some "Berlin haters" that jump in and try to hijack the thread with photos of its worst neighborhoods, or leaving comments like "don't be fooled, Berlin is actually a dump..." blah, blah, blah. It gets really old. Seems like for other cities, you post some nice pictures and everybody says "nice pics!" and people don't try and ruin it. Don't know why Berlin can't be treated the same way.
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Old September 15th, 2008, 01:53 PM   #197
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Lets put that to a test. One of the finest places ist the Gendarmenmarkt and the area around it.

Many (german) people just like to argue, its their way of communication. It doesnt mean anything but hi I'm here too and I've got nothing else to say.









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Lets put that to a test. One of the finest places ist the Gendarmenmarkt and the area around it.

Many (german) people just like to argue, its their way of communication. It doesnt mean anything but hi I'm here too and I've got nothing else to say.
The British are the same with the arguing, we love to do it! I guess it's why deep down Brits and Germans get on quite well.

Also, thanks for your compliment regarding my knowledge about Berlin! Keep up your efforts with maintaining these threads as they're excellent!
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Old September 15th, 2008, 02:52 PM   #199
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The British are the same with the arguing, we love to do it! I guess it's why deep down Brits and Germans get on quite well.

Also, thanks for your compliment regarding my knowledge about Berlin! Keep up your efforts with maintaining these threads as they're excellent!
The Germans do differ slightly here though. They like to disagree with you, even if they actually agree. Once you know this rule it can be quite amusing as you watch them grapple to find points to argue back even when they may despise the side the are arguing for, then you turn the argument around so you are now taking their side and watch them instantly swap ;O)

Fortunately, as this can be time consuming, Germans do make some great beer and have some lovely beer gardens.


On the other hand, to wind up the English, I just point out that England is not actually a real country as far as Nations go (France, Australia etc) and just watch the resulting cascade.

To wind up New Zealanders I just imitate their accent ;O)
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Old September 16th, 2008, 02:37 AM   #200
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I also find there to be a lot of resentment towards Berlin from Germans from other parts of Germany on this site. Whenever someone tries to start a nice Berlin thread showing it's nicest areas off (which by the way, is precisely what all of the other threads here for other cities do as well) there is always some "Berlin haters" that jump in and try to hijack the thread with photos of its worst neighborhoods, or leaving comments like "don't be fooled, Berlin is actually a dump..." blah, blah, blah. It gets really old. Seems like for other cities, you post some nice pictures and everybody says "nice pics!" and people don't try and ruin it. Don't know why Berlin can't be treated the same way.
Amen, that's what i noticed too, but as a Berliner i am just too nonchalant to be upset about such behaviour
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