The $45 Billion Los Angeles County Rail System

[phattonez]

Originally Posted by klamedia

I'm pretty sure their are no new freeways planned for LA city further their are expansions planned for highways but outside of big proj like the 710 tunnel they amount to carpool lanes mainly. Believe me, their will be no 2 freeway expansion through Beverly Hills in our lifetime or ever. In other words to shut up the freeway whores and car addicts some projects have to be pushed through. But I think we can all feel that their is a real consensus evolving regarding rapid mass transit that is undeniable. When Weho, BeHi and SaMo get together to talk about solving traffic congestion and they all push away from the table agreeing on subway and light rail solutions and loathing street widening, the times they are a changin'.
Bottom line the MTA LRP has lots of rail projects and absolutely no brand new highways, look it over: http://www.mta.net/board/Items/2006/...m45handout.pdf

There needs to be another freeway that leads into Orange County. The West Side has enough, but there are major holes on the East Side. The 57 isn't cutting it, it's congested all the way there and back again.

[godblessbotox]

and a tunnel under BH!!! woo! ferny help me make a petition!

[Jim856796]

Originally Posted by Damien

$45,000,000,000 for all this?! I just like the project, but How is Los Angeles going to get the funding for all this? It would take more than 45 years to get it all completed.

[solongfullerton]

Originally Posted by phattonez

There needs to be another freeway that leads into Orange County. The West Side has enough, but there are major holes on the East Side. The 57 isn't cutting it, it's congested all the way there and back again.

Are you kidding? The Westside had 2 freeways and only one leads to Orange County. The Eastside has atleast 5 Freeways, depending on what part of town your in. I don't think the Westside needs another freeway, but no other part of the region needs one either.

[Damien]

Jim with matching state and federal dollars we'd probably need to come up with $20 billion, possibly less if the commitments are made at once, and significantly less if we can implement Madrid's tunneling techniques. Pass a bond and pay it off with transportation related taxes over 30 years.

[phattonez]

Originally Posted by solongfullerton

Are you kidding? The Westside had 2 freeways and only one leads to Orange County. The Eastside has atleast 5 Freeways, depending on what part of town your in. I don't think the Westside needs another freeway, but no other part of the region needs one either.

East of I-5, I meant the Eastside of LA County. The only freeway there is the 57.

[klamedia]

The freeway building boom in LA county has been over for some time. Now it's about carpools lanes, some lane expansions and maintenance but nothing else. Not being critical of how they build it but when the Gold Line East and Expo I open in 2009 and 2010 successfully the MTA would have spent close to 2 billion dollars on those 2 lines. Once again not commenting on whether or not one agrees with this expenditure, that's 2 billion dollars not going to more freeways.

[phattonez]

Freeway construction is still a focus though. The 210 is being worked on as we speak and plans are being tossed around for the 710. The only reason more aren't being built are because of two things.

1. Environmental Impact Reports
2. Public Opinion of Eminent Domain

[croyboy]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

$45,000,000,000 for all this?! I just like the project, but How is Los Angeles going to get the funding for all this? It would take more than 45 years to get it all completed.

HA!!
it will take longer than that

it will probably have been 45 years before construction starts up again on the red line to santa monica

[Fern~Fern*]

Originally Posted by godblessbotox

and a tunnel under BH!!! woo! ferny help me make a petition!

Heck yea and while were at it, let's propose double decking our current Fwy's.

[phattonez]

Originally Posted by Ferneynism

Heck yea and while were at it, let's propose double decking our current Fwy's.

How do you double deck a sunken fwy?

[godblessbotox]

how do you put a park on one?

[Fern~Fern*]

Originally Posted by phattonez

How do you double deck a sunken fwy?

The 101, 405, 10, 105, 90, 91, 110, 10, 5, 60, 91, 2, 210, 134, 170, 710 just to name a few LA area Fwy's are not sunked in. Those are just waiting to be double deck.....

[godblessbotox]

...im not sure the 2 needs a nother level. and isnt he 11o already taken?

[Fern~Fern*]

Originally Posted by godblessbotox

...im not sure the 2 needs a nother level. and isnt he 11o already taken?

Yea your right about the 2, it should connect tothe 101 then the 10. This would alleviate some gridlock on the 110 (Pasadena) 5 (both directions). As far as the 110 they just stop adding the second level by USC. If you drive on the 110 you can see metal wires sticking out. Like it supposed to continue ll the way to Downtown or possibly Dodgers Stadium. I hope with the new transportation bond that was passed, then can continue with the second level.... Woohoo!

[Elsongs]

Originally Posted by Ferneynism

If you drive on the 110 you can see metal wires sticking out. Like it supposed to continue ll the way to Downtown or possibly Dodgers Stadium. I hope with the new transportation bond that was passed, then can continue with the second level.... Woohoo!

The Harbor Fwy Transitway was originally designed to connect with the El Monte Busway along the 10. Whether it will actually be remains to be seen.

[Fern~Fern*]

Originally Posted by Elsongs

The Harbor Fwy Transitway was originally designed to connect with the El Monte Busway along the 10. Whether it will actually be remains to be seen.

That is news for me, I had no clue. Do you know where was it to connect thru?

[godblessbotox]

tunnel! woo!

[Elsongs]

Originally Posted by Ferneynism

That is news for me, I had no clue. Do you know where was it to connect thru?

There were no formal plans for the connection. I'm sure various alignments were drawn up, from a straight through elevated busway over the 110 and 101 to Union Station (where the EMB begins) to a simple surface street route.

As with everything in public engineering, it's "to be determined later."

[klamedia]

Originally Posted by Ferneynism

The 101, 405, 10, 105, 90, 91, 110, 10, 5, 60, 91, 2, 210, 134, 170, 710 just to name a few LA area Fwy's are not sunked in. Those are just waiting to be double deck.....

and while you were busy double decking all of those freeways you could have better yet built all of Damien's map.

God bless Los Angeles

According to the MTA LRP they project the 710 tunnel underneath the Pasadena's to cost 6,958 billion dollars. Instead you could build the entire Red Line subway to the beach including its grand cathedral-like stations for about 5 billion dollars. If you would throw in another 2 billion or so you got left over to still equal one 710 tunnel you could either build the entire Yellow Line or complete several smaller projects all at once with the same 2 billion left over after the subway to the sea is finished like Green Line ext to Norwalk Metrolink station + the entire Harbor DMU LAXpress train +the downtown regional connector LRT + the Green ext to the South bay Galleria.

http://www.mta.net/board/Items/2006/...m45handout.pdf