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Old January 27th, 2014, 12:03 PM   #381
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Exciting progress, even if London built 10 200m+ towers the Europeans would never admit we have the best skyline, IMO we already do.
Yeah... many wouldn't. But a lot would. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and there are problems/errors/imperfections in every skyline.

London does seem to be far ahead of most European cities though. It is #1 in the world for Real Estate investment and has been so for the last 5 years or so.

London has a long way to go yet... but the potential is there and the approvals are there. This is especially the case in Canary Wharf.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 10:47 PM   #382
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Exciting progress, even if London built 10 200m+ towers the Europeans would never admit we have the best skyline, IMO we already do.
This is subjective. But I'll agree with you, it almost has the best skyline in Europe. I'd say second best, after Moscow, but it's changing rapidly and has very much potential. So yeah, fingers crossed!
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 12:18 PM   #383
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This is subjective. But I'll agree with you, it almost has the best skyline in Europe. I'd say second best, after Moscow, but it's changing rapidly and has very much potential. So yeah, fingers crossed!
This is a good statement. Although I'd say the quality is much higher in London. For the future I believe that Canary Wharf will be London's strongest Skyline - Unless you consider London as a whole.
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 06:10 PM   #384
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This is a good statement. Although I'd say the quality is much higher in London. For the future I believe that Canary Wharf will be London's strongest Skyline - Unless you consider London as a whole.
Considering density for sure it will with all the proposals added.
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Considering density for sure it will with all the proposals added.
Indeed - it's the only place in London that can have a large skyscraper based Financial District with tall buildings AND density.

Although the City will retain it's crown for the Skyline with the best and revolutionary towers.
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London does have the best skyline in Europe. I have no problem admitting that. Just wish there wasn't such a problem with height restrictions. Ten years ago I thought Frankfurt had the best skyline in Europe, but there hasn't been much development in the past decade aside from Tower 185, and London used that decade to build some of my favourite stuff in the world. Moscow has potential, but I'll reserve judgement until Moscow City is completed. Exciting times for Europe.
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Exciting progress, even if London built 10 200m+ towers the Europeans would never admit we have the best skyline, IMO we already do.
Europeans? Does being 30 km off the coast of France make Britain on another continent?
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Old February 7th, 2014, 02:19 PM   #388
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..UK is just as European as the rest of us on the continent
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On paper. Not on individual opinions. That's why the Brits want the referendum.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 02:57 PM   #390
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I'm not talking about politics, I meant in an historic sense. You are just as European as I am even if you where not part of EU or any other organisation.
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I'm not talking about politics, I meant in an historic sense. You are just as European as I am even if you where not part of EU or any other organisation.
The British are without a doubt geographically part of Europe. But we are a seperate land... with seperate ways and cultures.

Historically, Britain is quite European - to a certain degree.

The British have always been quite independent from European activities. You will find that the British culture has a lot more similarities with American culture. Like Birmingham said; many British people would not instantly refer to oneself as 'European' but English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh and then British.

In countless senses the British do and are different to the Europeans - not purposefully but naturally.

No matter what; I personally believe The U.K. will always have a stronger bond with our trans-atlantic American cousins than our European Neighbors. I do not think this is choice... but nature.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 04:38 PM   #392
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Different from the Europeans.... from the russians, the turks, the germans, catalans, basques, the millions whos parents and grandparents came from the former colonies...

It's fairly naive to think that the brits stand out more than so many others do. And apart from a few thousand eurocrats in Bruxelles nobody define themselves as European ahead of their nationality.

I was in the UK once (before the tunnel) when there was a storm so the ferries couldn't sail. The anchor on the tele announced:- The continent is cut off.

I guess you have to live on an island to think like that.

As far as your special relationship with th US is concerned it's a very oneway thing. Or at least a thing of the past because the US focuses it's attention elsewhere.

There are fewer people living on your islands than there are in countries such as Thailand and Vietnam...

So hands up for the special relationship. I doubt many americans are aware that it exists though. Just look at an average world map i the US. It isn'r centered around Europe- That continent is a very little thing at the very edge.

I think Moscow has the best skyline in Europe but London definately comes second...But it does has the coolest building: 30 st. marys axe :-)
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Old February 7th, 2014, 04:40 PM   #393
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Just pointing out at an idiosyncrasy I've often witnessed when I lived in London. It's called island mindset, and it's nothing to be justified of. I come from an island myself.
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Different from the Europeans.... from the russians, the turks, the germans, catalans, basques, the millions whos parents and grandparents came from the former colonies...

It's fairly naive to think that the brits stand out more than so many others do. And apart from a few thousand eurocrats in Bruxelles nobody define themselves as European ahead of their nationality.

I was in the UK once (before the tunnel) when there was a storm so the ferries couldn't sail. The anchor on the tele announced:- The continent is cut off.

I guess you have to live on an island to think like that.

As far as your special relationship with th US is concerned it's a very oneway thing. Or at least a thing of the past because the US focuses it's attention elsewhere.

There are fewer people living on your islands than there are in countries such as Thailand and Vietnam...

So hands up for the special relationship. I doubt many americans are aware that it exists though. Just look at an average world map i the US. It isn'r centered around Europe- That continent is a very little thing at the very edge.

I think Moscow has the best skyline in Europe but London definately comes second...But it does has the coolest building: 30 st. marys axe :-)
Partly true but London-New York is still the busiest trans-continental route in the Worlds. Tells you something, I guess.
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We Americans are very aware of our special relationship with the uk.
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The British are without a doubt geographically part of Europe. But we are a seperate land... with seperate ways and cultures.

Historically, Britain is quite European - to a certain degree.

The British have always been quite independent from European activities. You will find that the British culture has a lot more similarities with American culture. Like Birmingham said; many British people would not instantly refer to oneself as 'European' but English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh and then British.

In countless senses the British do and are different to the Europeans - not purposefully but naturally.

No matter what; I personally believe The U.K. will always have a stronger bond with our trans-atlantic American cousins than our European Neighbors. I do not think this is choice... but nature.
My British friends say they are going on holiday in Europe when they are actually going to places like Spain, Italy or France etc. In my university, there are 3 types of students such as the ones from UK, Europe and the rest of the world. When teachers say European students they mean students from the Euroland/Europe where the UK does not include.
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Europeans? Does being 30 km off the coast of France make Britain on another continent?
When Brits say "Europeans" in a manner that doesn't include themselves, what they mean is "Continental Europeans".
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As far as your special relationship with th US is concerned it's a very oneway thing. Or at least a thing of the past because the US focuses it's attention elsewhere.

There are fewer people living on your islands than there are in countries such as Thailand and Vietnam...

So hands up for the special relationship. I doubt many americans are aware that it exists though.
The special relationship does not mean the words come out of obama's mouth nor its based on the politics. But it comes from the tradition, common language, same value, history, media and of course the general perception of the public. Nowadays half of Hollywood is being dominated by the actors and actresses from the UK and many music bands are also dominating the top charts in US entertainment industry. Majority of the American kids know how to sing the national anthem of the UK. You also see the UK (Union Jack) flag in so american cities everyday whether it's being used in fashion, clothing, show or MTV etc. UK and the US also have the same education systems, and they also share many things when it comes to defense as well.

On topic: Canary Wharf is going be very busy as nowadays many French companies are moving their headquarters to London. We will see huge demand for the officer spaces for the Chinese too as they have chosen London to be the global hub for trading Chinese yuan. Go London.
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Old February 8th, 2014, 12:53 AM   #400
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What people don't understand is that no person in the EU call themselves European instead of their nationality. If you ask somebody from Spain, they're not gonna say they're European, they're gonna say they're Spanish.

Strangely enough, even Americans most times (in my experience) don't say they're americans. When I ask people where they're from they say from New York, Ohio, California instead of the USA.

Weird how the topic has changed, how somebody has registered just to put down the UK and nice to see SO143 back lol
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