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Lance · April 14th, 2007, 05:41 PM

Wonder if that will start to cause any arguements about a building being taller and OCS no longer being the pinnacle..... that would be an interesting arguement for a taller building some time in the future.

Lance · April 14th, 2007, 05:44 PM

Oh..... and just to clarify.... should we soon being saying the U.K's tallest building will soon be under construction? I assume the timetable will mean this will top out before any of the other projects that are in various stages of progress...?

Newcastle Guy · April 14th, 2007, 05:45 PM

For now, they can say that 1CS is talled AOD to appease TH/EH whatever, but in the future, say 10 years (maybe when City airport ease restrictions slightly) if they wanted to build a 240m-245m, they can use the fact that RS 1 is actually a taller building to help their case for the new tower

Newcastle Guy · April 14th, 2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Oh..... and just to clarify.... should we soon being saying the U.K's tallest building will soon be under construction? I assume the timetable will mean this will top out before any of the other projects that are in various stages of progress...?

Yes, we should

The only taller buildings will be Bishopsgate and the Shard, and Heron is we count it's spire. Bishopsgate Construction will probably start at the same time as Riverside south. I don't know which will finish first though.

But anyway, none of the others are currently a the stage Riverside South is (actual digging on site for the tower basement) though we will have to leave it until JPMorgan announce their intentions and the new scheme is approved (late summer?) to start a proper construction thread.

By then it should be a REAL building site

Lance · April 14th, 2007, 06:55 PM

Were they looking at letting out the entire complex or just one of the towers? Seems a bit big for any company to have the whole thing...? Still.... nice little catch if they do decide to go with it.

DarJoLe · April 15th, 2007, 07:14 AM

JP Morgan will take the podium and right hand (southern) tower. The left hand tower is a separate building.

Lance · April 15th, 2007, 12:34 PM

I thought that would probably be the case. The other tower will give them plenty of space to let out. With that an the CP buildings, would imagine we wont see anything else too big going up for a while. Any news of any other big companies looking for some space that may spur on something else begin built?

Newcastle Guy · April 15th, 2007, 01:17 PM

I think the Churchill buildings are all filled now? So the only thing Canary Wharf will have left for any company wanting to take a good chunk of space is RS tower 2.

If Crossrail isn't done by the time Canary Wharf is full again, will they push on with Heron Quays West before North Quay instead?

Edit: Regarding big companies looking for space, I believe News International are in talks with Canary Wharf to move their HQ there. Can anyone clarify?

jef · April 15th, 2007, 03:28 PM

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I think the Churchill buildings are all filled now? So the only thing Canary Wharf will have left for any company wanting to take a good chunk of space is RS tower 2.

30 The North Colonnade (300,000 sqft) is u/c speculatively but KPMG has an option to take 100,000 sqft. There are another 100,000 sq ft available in the Bearn Stearns headquarters now u/c and 25 Churchill is also available available as a prelet opportunity (400,000 sqft). The remainings buildings have been presold or prelet. As you said only RS can accomodate large requirements.

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Originally Posted by Newcastle Guy

If Crossrail isn't done by the time Canary Wharf is full again, will they push on with Heron Quays West before North Quay instead?

That's also my understanding. North Quay could be delayed until 2015 as it cannot start construction before the new isle of dogs station for Crossrail is completed/

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Originally Posted by Newcastle Guy

Edit: Regarding big companies looking for space, I believe News International are in talks with Canary Wharf to move their HQ there. Can anyone clarify?

Yes. News International has been mulling a move to CW for years. But it was recently reported they had talks with CW to take 25 Churchill Place or 1CS as their new head office. BarCap is also understood to take the last available 300,000 sq ft at 40 Bank Street. Reuters is also looking for additional space in the estate and Bank of America is in talks with CW to relocate their current head office to a much bigger new purpose built office building in 2012, possibly at Heron Quay West.

Newcastle Guy · April 15th, 2007, 03:39 PM

Thanks Jef

Madman · April 15th, 2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jef

That's also my understanding. North Quay could be delayed until 2015 as it cannot start construction before the new isle of dogs station for Crossrail is completed/

Is it also possible that certain elements of Wood Wharf can begin construction by the time the rest of the estate has been let? That surely would provide more flexibility in office accomodation available to clients than solely the large towers of HQW?

Lance · April 15th, 2007, 05:52 PM

I'm suprised they havent looked in to something alternative to crossrail. The amount of thimes this gets put back and back and back, the group could be losing out on business in the long run.

Is there no possibility of a DLR extension and upgrade. Its a pretty average system at the mo that cant take a large amount of people like the tube. Someone should think of upgrading or replacing that maybe.... a lot of m,oney i'd expect

Cocolicchio · April 15th, 2007, 06:10 PM

Well I happen to rather like the design

Danger! 50,000 volts · April 16th, 2007, 02:30 PM

The towers design is a much improved version - though I'm not too sure about the podium - tho the bladerunner esque industrial feel sure is a bit of a turn from the current architecture there. Hope North quay designs are radically improved when they get the go-ahead also. HQW towers are good as they are, I guess they could come before North quay - if this railway station continues its usual setbacks?

***wjfox*** · April 16th, 2007, 09:50 PM

Great panorama of the site, posted by Bruno -

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...8#post12690978

Newcastle Guy · April 16th, 2007, 10:36 PM

Thanks to Bruno for possibly the best update so far

eddie88 · April 29th, 2007, 06:45 PM

Ralphkke · April 30th, 2007, 02:48 PM

I like this design very much.

***wjfox*** · June 28th, 2007, 04:31 PM

Update: The redesign with a height increase has been approved.

Thread title needs renaming (236m).

***i_am_hydrogen*** · June 28th, 2007, 06:21 PM

These are two nicely designed towers that fit in so well with the Canary Wharf skyline.

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April 14th, 2007, 05:41 PM	#61
Lance Most ignored user! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Southend Posts: 352 Likes (Received): 0	Wonder if that will start to cause any arguements about a building being taller and OCS no longer being the pinnacle..... that would be an interesting arguement for a taller building some time in the future.

April 14th, 2007, 05:44 PM	#62
Lance Most ignored user! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Southend Posts: 352 Likes (Received): 0	Oh..... and just to clarify.... should we soon being saying the U.K's tallest building will soon be under construction? I assume the timetable will mean this will top out before any of the other projects that are in various stages of progress...?

April 14th, 2007, 05:45 PM	#63
Newcastle Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 8,957 Likes (Received): 18	For now, they can say that 1CS is talled AOD to appease TH/EH whatever, but in the future, say 10 years (maybe when City airport ease restrictions slightly) if they wanted to build a 240m-245m, they can use the fact that RS 1 is actually a taller building to help their case for the new tower

April 14th, 2007, 06:55 PM	#65
Lance Most ignored user! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Southend Posts: 352 Likes (Received): 0	Were they looking at letting out the entire complex or just one of the towers? Seems a bit big for any company to have the whole thing...? Still.... nice little catch if they do decide to go with it.

April 15th, 2007, 07:14 AM	#66
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,675 Likes (Received): 399	JP Morgan will take the podium and right hand (southern) tower. The left hand tower is a separate building.

April 15th, 2007, 12:34 PM	#67
Lance Most ignored user! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Southend Posts: 352 Likes (Received): 0	I thought that would probably be the case. The other tower will give them plenty of space to let out. With that an the CP buildings, would imagine we wont see anything else too big going up for a while. Any news of any other big companies looking for some space that may spur on something else begin built?

April 15th, 2007, 01:17 PM	#68
Newcastle Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 8,957 Likes (Received): 18	I think the Churchill buildings are all filled now? So the only thing Canary Wharf will have left for any company wanting to take a good chunk of space is RS tower 2. If Crossrail isn't done by the time Canary Wharf is full again, will they push on with Heron Quays West before North Quay instead? Edit: Regarding big companies looking for space, I believe News International are in talks with Canary Wharf to move their HQ there. Can anyone clarify?

April 15th, 2007, 03:39 PM	#70
Newcastle Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 8,957 Likes (Received): 18	Thanks Jef

April 15th, 2007, 05:52 PM	#72
Lance Most ignored user! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Southend Posts: 352 Likes (Received): 0	I'm suprised they havent looked in to something alternative to crossrail. The amount of thimes this gets put back and back and back, the group could be losing out on business in the long run. Is there no possibility of a DLR extension and upgrade. Its a pretty average system at the mo that cant take a large amount of people like the tube. Someone should think of upgrading or replacing that maybe.... a lot of m,oney i'd expect

April 16th, 2007, 02:30 PM	#74
Danger! 50,000 volts Iechyd da! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Reading Posts: 253 Likes (Received): 0	The towers design is a much improved version - though I'm not too sure about the podium - tho the bladerunner esque industrial feel sure is a bit of a turn from the current architecture there. Hope North quay designs are radically improved when they get the go-ahead also. HQW towers are good as they are, I guess they could come before North quay - if this railway station continues its usual setbacks?

April 16th, 2007, 09:50 PM	#75
*wjfox* Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: L O N D O N Posts: 36,228 Likes (Received): 944	Great panorama of the site, posted by Bruno - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...8#post12690978

April 16th, 2007, 10:36 PM	#76
Newcastle Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 8,957 Likes (Received): 18	Thanks to Bruno for possibly the best update so far

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April 30th, 2007, 02:48 PM	#78
Ralphkke Carpe Diem Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: EINDHOVEN! Posts: 1,213 Likes (Received): 0	I like this design very much.