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Old November 10th, 2016, 11:51 PM   #2401
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Glad that we are getting transit. But remember this also hurts retail spending and people's ability to buy homes, invest, start businesses, etc. The net positive effect of M is microscopic compared to the benefits of, say, Trump's education reform proposals (among several others).

LA in particular has schools so bad and teachers' unions so powerful and regressive that it makes getting out of LAUSD or close to private schools a priority in looking for housing. A nationally renowned education prof has called it "the most regressive educational institution in the world" even including the Middle East.

So, for sure, stay happy; but keep your eye on what makes the country richer, since that is the ultimate driver or everything else.
this is the biggest pile of shit ive read here in a long long time. "Hurts" retail spending...ya that 30 dollar average increase is REALLY gonna hurt. How about the increased mobility? how about the reduction in car payments and discretionary income that will now go to retail?
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Old November 11th, 2016, 08:21 AM   #2402
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I said this before and I'll say it again, I'm glad to see a U.S. city (L.A. nonetheless) finally getting its shit together on public transportation.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 10:33 AM   #2403
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I hope they'll spend the money aswell upgrading the traffic lights, so that the trains get priority a lot more. There are plenty of crossings where trains need to wait a couple of seconds up to a minute.

Besides, I just love the fact that finally LA is getting a dense network of mass-transportation. That will increase ridership all across existing lines as well.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 03:00 PM   #2404
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So, Measure M passed.
It is supposed to bring new projects AND accelerate existing ones, isn't it?

Can someone enumerate what are the specific new projects Measure M will bring? (meaning which projects would not be build if measure M have not passed)
And which previous projects is expected to accelerate.

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Old November 11th, 2016, 08:51 PM   #2405
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So, Measure M passed.
It is supposed to bring new projects AND accelerate existing ones, isn't it?

Can someone enumerate what are the specific new projects Measure M will bring? (meaning which projects would not be build if measure M have not passed)
And which previous projects is expected to accelerate.
It's a little complicated to answer, but the best thing to do is look at Metro's Long Range Plan (pdf) from 2009. They include a laundry list of projects both funded (by Measure R and other grants) and unfunded at that time.





So basically, you can cross-reference the projects in that map above with those two charts to see what was already planned/at least partially funded through Measure R, and what's been added with Measure M. (It's basically the "Tier 1" category in the unfunded section)
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Old November 11th, 2016, 08:59 PM   #2406
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There is also a list here:

http://thesource.metro.net/2016/11/0...-descriptions/
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Old November 12th, 2016, 08:15 PM   #2407
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Interestingly enough, Trump is a big proponent of infrastructure building... now, does that mean highways and freeways? with the republicans in charge, no doubt. Fortunately, Metro got plenty of proposals for PPP's to accelerate and build several of the lines, most importantly the Sepulveda line
For sure any infrastructure bills coming out of this congress will be focused on highways and not on subways and light rail. This would still be a good thing for the LA metro though. Ideally, the highway improvements that are part of Measure M could be funded by federal sources, and the Measure M funds that were earmarked for the highway projects can instead be redirected to accelerate the completion of the rail projects. Sadly I think the most likely outcome is that LA is on its own and can't look to the feds for any significant infrastructure improvement money. As you say though, with PPP programs, that alone can speed things up quite a bit (hopefully people won't mind paying tolls at the Sepulveda tunnel though!)
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Old November 12th, 2016, 09:15 PM   #2408
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But I think, it is also for economic reasons better to invest in good public transport. It is very expensive to build new highwaýs and freewaýs in the large urban areas. If you like to decrease trafic jams, you need public transport.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 10:37 PM   #2409
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Crenshaw/LAX Line construction

One of the tunnels under Crenshaw Boulevard taking shape.


Removing the formwork at the Crenshaw/Expo Station.


Beginning excavation for a side structure at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Station, which will be underground.


Work on a column at the Leimert Park underground station.


Installing rebar for a column at Leimert Park Station.


Work on the walls of the segment between Leimert Park Station and the portal to the tunnel.


Work on Crenshaw Boulevard north of 54th Street in Park Mesa Heights.


The placement of deck beams and deck panels south of 63rd Street for a section of the line that will be below street level.


Excavation and lagging work between 60th and 63rd on the cut-and-cover section.


Work on the station platform for the Fairview Heights Station.


Work on one of the earthen walls leading to the bridge over La Brea Avenue.


Work on the La Brea Bridge.


Another view of the La Brea Bridge.


Falsework for the rail bridge that will span the 405.


More work on the 405 bridge superstructure.


Westchester Station.


A look at the alignment north of Manchester Boulevard.


Work on anchoring the galvanized reinforcement straps for a section of the alignment north of Manchester.


Work on the bridge that will span Manchester Boulevard.


Some preliminary work on the 96th Street Station, which will be built as a separate project. The station will serve as the transfer point to the future LAX people mover serving the passenger terminals.


Work on the bridge that will span Century Boulevard adjacent to Aviation Boulevard.


Another view of the Aviation/Century Bridge.



The cut-and-cover segment east of the south runway at LAX.


Concrete cure for the cut-cover segment next to LAX.


Working on the exterior of the bridge structure at 111th Street.


Work on the structure that will carry the tracks toward the Green Line.


The ramp that will carry the new tracks toward a junction with the Green Line tracks.


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Old November 13th, 2016, 05:31 AM   #2410
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It's impressive, we've taxed ourselves...what? twice with this one? For mass transit. Commendable Los Angeles, absolutely commendable. (Of course I voted "YES")
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Old November 13th, 2016, 06:08 AM   #2411
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Financing

This is tax #4 for Los Angeles County, although when R expires, M will be raised to make up the percent lost by R. https://www.metro.net/about/financebudget/taxes/

A and C have restrictions that they not be spent on "subway" construction.

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Old November 13th, 2016, 12:46 PM   #2412
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I lived just down the road from where La Brea/Downtown Inglewood station is. Used to follow those railroad tracks from Centinela to Market to get to school. Finally the promises have been fulfilled
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Old November 13th, 2016, 06:30 PM   #2413
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A recent editorial about PT expansion and gentrification. I think it contains some valid points.

This is not an argument against PT expansion, not even against a moderate form of gentrification but one against excessive developments, which arise from a lack of regulation (I know, that is a dirty word in the US) or planning. That Metro requires from developpers to develop 35% of their flats for low income people is exactly the right thing to do. A good balance between gentrification and not pushing out all low income inhabitants, which are also those who need PT the most. Without municipal action however, this affects only a small share of PT near property.

Measure M projects are still somewhat away, it is time to plan the complimentary tools already now.


Los Angeles Times - Will Measure M lead to gentrification and displacement across L.A. County?
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Old November 13th, 2016, 08:06 PM   #2414
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The whole Rail to Rail/River Active Transportation Corridor Project confuses me are they going to make it something like the Orange line with a bike path or is it going solely a bike and pedestrian path. I looked it up on Metro's information Page but it was fairly vague about what it defined as "Transportation". Just wanted to see if any one has more knowledge or input about this matter.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 08:22 PM   #2415
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LOS ANGELES | Public Transport

It's essentially just a biking/walking path -- "active transportation" is one of those buzzwords for health-focused urban planning. But since Metro will retain ownership of the ROW there's hope it could later be upgraded with bus or rail service. If there's ever going to be directly LAX-DTLA service it will almost definitely have to go that way.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 11:30 PM   #2416
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[ARTICLE]

L.A. Is Finally Getting a Transit System to Rival New York’s

Los Angeles Magazine

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Old November 21st, 2016, 11:34 PM   #2417
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A look at some of the ongoing work on the Purple Line Extension’s future Wilshire/La Brea Station

Installation of tie backs.


Workers unloading lagging.


Wiring for a water treatment system at the Wilshire/La Brea yard.


Excavating, lagging, muck shaft - looking East.


Excavating a muck shaft.


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Old November 22nd, 2016, 06:16 AM   #2418
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Good for LA but not even close.

We would never tolerate having trains follow traffic light and move 5 MPH in some parts.

LA needs more rapid transit.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 08:27 AM   #2419
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Will the Purple line be extended to the ocean eventually?
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 06:29 PM   #2420
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Good for LA but not even close.

We would never tolerate having trains follow traffic light and move 5 MPH in some parts.

LA needs more rapid transit.
Right. But remember LA's distances, and in everything that is constructed here the earthquake factor is always part of construction. So, be it buildings, tunnels, etc. it is a bit more expensive to build here. So, New York, Chicago get more bang for their buck.

But you have to admit. In the 60's LA dismantled the largest public transportation system in the country, in the 80's LA started all over again from scratch (opening with one line in the early 90's). 26 years alter, LA is rivaling cities that have been at it for way longer.




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