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Old April 27th, 2010, 06:04 AM   #561
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LA light rails seem to run a lot like subway, except occasionally they run on the streets. Just how often do they mingle with the traffics? I hope not very often.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:15 AM   #562
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LA light rails seem to run a lot like subway, except occasionally they run on the streets. Just how often do they mingle with the traffics? I hope not very often.
L.A.'s Heavy Rail lines (Red and Purple) are entirely underground, with a short, non-revenue section on the surface near their railyard. L.A.'s Light Rail lines (Blue, Green, Gold, and the unopened Expo Lines) have their own Right-of-way (they don't share lanes with cars) but have varying levels of grade-separation. (The Blue Line is almost entirely on the Surface with a few Aerial sections and a short subway in the Downtown. The Green Line is entirely separated from traffic, and the Gold Line has a Short Subway segment of it's own, while the Expo Line will share some track with the Blue Line (Near the Downtown) it will have some aerial segments of it's own.) So in other words, the Light Rail lines (especially the Blue Line and with exception of the Green Line) intermingle with traffic with varying results. (Until Houston's Light Rail line opened, L.A.'s Blue Line was involved in more traffic crashes than any other LRT line in the country.)
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Old April 28th, 2010, 09:29 AM   #563
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Yes sir, that's what I like about LA's LTR's. The variation of grade makes an entertaining ride.

The Blue Line (as will the Expo Line or Aqua Line ) will depart from Downtown LA's 7th Street Metro Center where it connects to the Red and Purple Subway lines.

BLUE LINE LTR UNDERGROUND AT 7TH ST METRO CENTER - DOWNTOWN
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:10 PM   #564
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when are they ever going to update those little circles of light on the purple line stations... its just getting depressing now
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 01:39 AM   #565
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when are they ever going to update those little circles of light on the purple line stations... its just getting depressing now
They'll probably do it during the construction of the Westside subway. (At least that's when it makes sense.)
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 02:28 AM   #566
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true, but still would e nice to see a change in those stations. A good scrubbing throughout the stations would be nice too.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 02:56 AM   #567
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true, but still would e nice to see a change in those stations. A good scrubbing throughout the stations would be nice too.
It would be nice, but you gotta remember: as long as the Californian Republican party holds the views they have, things like "Cleaning" and "Proper Maintenance" will get swept to the wayside.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 03:27 AM   #568
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nahh, its more like as long as the janitors (part of the MTA union) need to get paid 12 dollars an hour plus pension and insurance to scrub the damn floor and take out trash, which they do poorly to start with, the MTA wont have enough money for proper maintaince and cleaning.
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Old May 8th, 2010, 03:53 AM   #569
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nahh, its more like as long as the janitors (part of the MTA union) need to get paid 12 dollars an hour plus pension and insurance to scrub the damn floor and take out trash, which they do poorly to start with, the MTA wont have enough money for proper maintaince and cleaning.
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nahh, its more like as long as the janitors (part of the MTA union) need to get paid 12 dollars an hour plus pension and insurance to scrub the damn floor and take out trash, which they do poorly to start with, the MTA wont have enough money for proper maintaince and cleaning.
True. They are chokers aren't they.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 11:26 PM   #571
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Just some open-ended questions/discussion fodder here from a clueless easterner who's been to California all of two times...

How have the Red and Purple lines (and to a lesser extent the Blue Line) changed Downtown L.A.? Are more jobs located there now than pre-1996? Are people (Angelinos, suburbanites, tourists) more apt to think of it as a "destination" than previously?

Has the subway's presence spurred more high-density development (commercial or residential)? Has there been any gentrification?

What kind of support is there for the Westside expansion of the Purple Line? Do Angelinos generally see subway (and any rail) expansion as a waste of money better spent on roads, or as a necessary investment in the city's mobility future?

Is there any reluctance to expand rail transit based on class issues (i.e. "poor people will invade our nice neighborhoods" arguments).
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Old May 11th, 2010, 12:54 AM   #572
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Just some open-ended questions/discussion fodder here from a clueless easterner who's been to California all of two times...

How have the Red and Purple lines (and to a lesser extent the Blue Line) changed Downtown L.A.? Are more jobs located there now than pre-1996? Are people (Angelinos, suburbanites, tourists) more apt to think of it as a "destination" than previously?

Has the subway's presence spurred more high-density development (commercial or residential)? Has there been any gentrification?

What kind of support is there for the Westside expansion of the Purple Line? Do Angelinos generally see subway (and any rail) expansion as a waste of money better spent on roads, or as a necessary investment in the city's mobility future?

Is there any reluctance to expand rail transit based on class issues (i.e. "poor people will invade our nice neighborhoods" arguments).

These are some good questions that you ask. Heres my best response.

1) Downtown LA has always been a very busy job center, with over 500,000 jobs. The problem was that there was no residential and the place shut down at 5. After the adaptive reuse ordinance was passed in the late 90's (and Staples Center was built), all this started to change. This ordinance basically allowed and encouraged old historic unused buildings to be transformed into housing. That is why you didnt see too many condo towers in DT LA during the boom because all the residential was happening in these older buildings. Slowly the demographics of downtown changed, with wealthy hipsters and empty nesters moving in. Now the hottest restaurants in LA are in Downtown, same with Bars and the area is continuing to change at a dramatic rate. With the next boom, you will see many towers in my opinion, because we have plenty of entitled and ready to go projects, just waiting for funding. But you have to keep in mind that Downtown LA is one of many districts in LA. It will never be the only spot in town, just now its one of the more important ones, which is good.

2) The Purple and Red Lines have had similar affects on Hollywood and Koreatown, which have improved dramatically in the last 10 years, Hollywood especially. Large hotel and residential TOD's, conversions and so forth. The Subway has done wonders.

3) LA County passed a .5 cent tax with a 68% yes vote in 2008. this is called measure R and im sure you ahve heard or read about it. basically it will fund 40 billion dollars worth of transit improvements in the county in the next 30 years (thats without any other funding sources). It includes 12 rail lines such as the purple line extension to westwood, the downtown connector subways which will tie together 4 light rail lines in downtown, and numerous other projects. If we can get federal funding with the 30/10 proposal, all this will be built by 2018. So to answer your question, most people in LA want the rail and are begging for it. Hell even Beverly Hills is begging for it. There are still small pockets of objection from older residents but as you can see from the numbers, there is overwhelming support. The most amazing aspects regarding the passage of Measure R were that it is voted upon by the whole county, and im sure you know LA county is huge and encompasses many rural and mountainous areas that would have no direct benefit and also that this is the 3 transit tax that LA County residents have imposed upon ourselves in the last 40 years

If you have some time, visit the LA forum for more details on the developments, up coming transit improvements and exciting changes in LA.

LA opened a new light rail line this year, opens another next and breaks ground on another in June.

and Go Lakers
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Thanks for your in-depth response. That answers some of my questions. I knew about the adaptive reuse ordinance. It will be interesting to see what type of transit oriented development takes place in Los Angeles in the coming years.

I knew L.A. was always a multi-polar city, so to me it would make sense if its rail system follows a pattern more like Mexico City's (net-like) than Boston's or Rome's (radial).

L.A. got a late start with rebuilding its rail infrastructure after the streetcar debacle, but if Villaraigosa's 30/10 plan passes it will catch up quickly.
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Old May 28th, 2010, 11:21 AM   #574
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Much like a spider first builds its main lines, then builds connectors, thats how LA is building its metro.
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Old May 29th, 2010, 04:53 AM   #575
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LA needs a closer LAX Metro station, IMHO
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Old May 29th, 2010, 08:44 AM   #576
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free shutle to the green line aint good enough. And its in the works as part of the LAX re-design
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Old June 1st, 2010, 02:34 AM   #578
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what would make a connection with the airport better, bigger trains and a direct elevator from the blue line to the green. Nothing is worse than having to bull your haulalong luggage up to the centerline. And i know im nitpicking but some sound walls at the stations wouldnt hurt.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 09:37 AM   #579
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nahh, its more like as long as the janitors (part of the MTA union) need to get paid 12 dollars an hour plus pension and insurance to scrub the damn floor and take out trash, which they do poorly to start with, the MTA wont have enough money for proper maintaince and cleaning.
You have something against janitors? Or are you a fan of indentured servitude?
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Old June 5th, 2010, 10:22 AM   #580
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Santa Ana Row idea

Since the octa is doing a study on the santa ana right of way my idea for the row is for the green line to branch off before the lakewood station then join the santa ana row in Paramount ca which could have a landscaped bike/walking path and continue on with stops in paramount,Cerritos,Artesia/Southst,Cypress College on valley view st,katella ave when it gets to nelson st in garden grove ca the line could be on a elevated structure or underground passing through the shopping centers on garden grove blvd then reconnect to the row to Harbor blvd where it will terminate at a transfer station connecting with the future Santa Ana streetcar line using the same row to Downtown Santa Ana.
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