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Old June 7th, 2010, 01:25 PM   #581
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You have something against janitors? Or are you a fan of indentured servitude?
I guess I understand our colleague's point. Janitors don't make US$ 12/hour + benefits + pension + health care + paid sick leave + paid "school" days on private enterprises. Therefore, they are reaping a far higher salary there, which wouldn't be a problem if this pattern of overcompensations didn't hamper the ability of the transit authority to operate more efficiently in terms of its finances.
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Old June 13th, 2010, 07:21 AM   #582
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or if the work done justified the compensation, which anyone who has taken a ride on the LA metro knows is not the case. For 12 bucks an hour plus everything else i would expect those trains to be sparkling and the floors to be spotless, every light working and every escalator sparkling. instead brand new stations already look old and worn.
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Old June 14th, 2010, 07:51 PM   #583
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Hello, could you please tell me the estimate travel time from Hawthorne to the city centre?
In the webpage it says 90-120 minutes (I think), could someone specify more?
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Old June 15th, 2010, 12:09 PM   #584
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**Bonus**

Metro's new map.

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Thats a map a 1-2 million European city would have, real poor for a 17 million...
Glad their working on more lines for LA though...
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Old June 19th, 2010, 06:51 AM   #585
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LA doesn't have 17 million people. LA has 4 million people.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 09:47 AM   #586
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LA doesn't have 17 million people. LA has 4 million people.
Think it's for the Los Angeles metropolitan area

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Ang...ropolitan_Area
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Old June 19th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #587
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Think it's for the Los Angeles metropolitan area

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Ang...ropolitan_Area
Even then people like to paint the picture that Los Angeles has ZERO public transportation. LA has numerous options. One think that people don't realize is that Metrolink serves 6 counties in Southern California (LA, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Ventura).



People have options getting around LA. Just not enough and too many people.

Orange County is getting into the act and proposed a streetcar.


Even dirty San Bernardino is nearing construction of sbX.


Not to mention the California High Speed Rail.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 04:41 AM   #588
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or if the work done justified the compensation, which anyone who has taken a ride on the LA metro knows is not the case. For 12 bucks an hour plus everything else i would expect those trains to be sparkling and the floors to be spotless, every light working and every escalator sparkling. instead brand new stations already look old and worn.
$12/hr is SHIT money. Try living on that in LA.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 12:36 PM   #589
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Even then people like to paint the picture that Los Angeles has ZERO public transportation. LA has numerous options. One think that people don't realize is that Metrolink serves 6 counties in Southern California (LA, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Ventura).
These maps you show are in even a bigger area then the 17 million metro of LA? So I guess that really shows how poor the area is on public transport... But that's where the famous LA highways take over I guess

I live in a very small country: Belgium
It's smaller than the area you showed here and 10.5 million people live there.
It's around the same size as LA county and Kern county together...(31.000sqkm or 11966 sqmi)
Still there is much more transportation than you would expect:
I know it doesn't belongs here... So as soon if you've seen it delete it...
Belgian rail map:
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Old June 21st, 2010, 01:06 AM   #590
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I like it when people try to tell you about how messed up their city is. In LA's case, it's lack of a comprehensive transportation system. Like we don't already know it.

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Old June 21st, 2010, 01:20 AM   #591
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Sure LA doesn't have the (rail based) public transportation it needs, but it's working damn hard to get it as fast as possible. I'd be grateful if my city was even half as ambitious.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 06:07 PM   #592
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These maps you show are in even a bigger area then the 17 million metro of LA? So I guess that really shows how poor the area is on public transport... But that's where the famous LA highways take over I guess

I live in a very small country: Belgium
It's smaller than the area you showed here and 10.5 million people live there.
It's around the same size as LA county and Kern county together...(31.000sqkm or 11966 sqmi)
Still there is much more transportation than you would expect:
I know it doesn't belongs here... So as soon if you've seen it delete it...
Belgian rail map:
Your system may be big , but form i hear its terrible always breaking down. Old trains , never on time...
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 03:54 AM   #593
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$12/hr is SHIT money. Try living on that in LA.
I agree with this. Try paying your California bills, rent, fuel...etc with that wage.

I'm surprised unless I missed it that there is no direct link to the airport for the metro. No station inside the airport. I think all airports in major cities should have efficient public transport to and from the airport.
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 08:54 AM   #594
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$12/hr is SHIT money. Try living on that in LA.
Id kill for 12 bucks an hour to have such shoddy work done.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 07:50 AM   #595
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Since the Green Line is completely grade-separated, would it ever be up for a conversion to heavy rail (while still being powered by overhead wiring)?
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Since the Green Line is completely grade-separated, would it ever be up for a conversion to heavy rail (while still being powered by overhead wiring)?
What you would see on LA's LRT system as a whole (Not just the Green Line, but the Blue, Gold, Expo, and Crenshaw Lines as well.) would be something like that of Tokyo's Suburban Railroads, a gradual process of increasing platform length, (The Blue Line would be first in line for this, given how crowded it is.) Grade separations, and increasing frequencies to the point where the average Joe-Blow won't care about the difference. (This is, in general, how I think most modern American LRT systems will evolve in the decades to come, with some exceptions such as Houston.)
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Old June 24th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #597
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What you would see on LA's LRT system as a whole (Not just the Green Line, but the Blue, Gold, Expo, and Crenshaw Lines as well.) would be something like that of Tokyo's Suburban Railroads, a gradual process of increasing platform length, (The Blue Line would be first in line for this, given how crowded it is.) Grade separations, and increasing frequencies to the point where the average Joe-Blow won't care about the difference. (This is, in general, how I think most modern American LRT systems will evolve in the decades to come, with some exceptions such as Houston.)
Among the LRT systems built in the United States since the 1980s, I cannot think of a single case where a line has been upgraded to be grade-separated through a downtown area. When money is available, it is spent on new lines, not providing grade separation for existing lines. The Blue Line in Los Angeles was upgraded to increase platform lengths to accommodate 3-car trains, but there weren't any changes to the street median sections of the route in Long Beach and downtown Los Angeles. Dallas is presently confronting a capacity problem where several lines converge in the downtown area. The chosen solution is to build a second non-grade-separated route through downtown.

If Los Angeles did choose to upgrade some light rail lines to full metro standards, it would have a good head start. All the light rail lines in Los Angeles have high-floor cars serving high-platform stations. If you disregard the pantographs, the Green Line pretty much is a metro.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 12:26 AM   #598
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Among the LRT systems built in the United States since the 1980s, I cannot think of a single case where a line has been upgraded to be grade-separated through a downtown area. When money is available, it is spent on new lines, not providing grade separation for existing lines. The Blue Line in Los Angeles was upgraded to increase platform lengths to accommodate 3-car trains, but there weren't any changes to the street median sections of the route in Long Beach and downtown Los Angeles. Dallas is presently confronting a capacity problem where several lines converge in the downtown area. The chosen solution is to build a second non-grade-separated route through downtown.

If Los Angeles did choose to upgrade some light rail lines to full metro standards, it would have a good head start. All the light rail lines in Los Angeles have high-floor cars serving high-platform stations. If you disregard the pantographs, the Green Line pretty much is a metro.
While these theoretical upgrades haven't happened yet, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that they could happen in the next few decades as ridership rises on these systems. In a way it's already happening, with many planned lines, including recently opened ones being built to far more rigorous standards than some of the Original LRT lines built 1980's. (point case: Sacramento's LRT system when it was originally built was 60% single track, Seattle's system was constructed to be mostly grade separated (with some exceptions) and was built to accommodate 4-car trains.)
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 02:50 PM   #599
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And I thought commuting in LA is just via cars on freeways! Someone said LA is so spread out that it is not feasible for subway systems.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 02:19 AM   #600
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And I thought commuting in LA is just via cars on freeways! Someone said LA is so spread out that it is not feasible for subway systems.
That's simply untrue. Subway is very successful in L.A., and has high ridership per mile. It's a very limited network at this point, which is why its numbers appear low.

It looks as if the Westside extension may be built, along with several other corridors, if the 30/10 plan proposed by the mayor is approved.
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