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Old June 3rd, 2012, 09:02 PM   #901
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Is there really a way to make LA public transport friendly without spending half of California's budget on it?
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Old June 4th, 2012, 09:23 AM   #902
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Is there really a way to make LA public transport friendly without spending half of California's budget on it?
Los Angeles is one of the densest metropolitan areas in US, even denser (as a metropolis) than New York and Chicago.

Most of its suburbs are made of small lot, grid-arranged houses.

Actually, there is a large shortage or greenery within the city itself.

The problem is their piecemeal approach: build a line here, a crappy "enhanced busway" there and so on.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 08:34 PM   #903
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Los Angeles is one of the densest metropolitan areas in US, even denser (as a metropolis) than New York and Chicago.

Most of its suburbs are made of small lot, grid-arranged houses.

Actually, there is a large shortage or greenery within the city itself.

The problem is their piecemeal approach: build a line here, a crappy "enhanced busway" there and so on.
As much as I hate the Orange Line, I have to remind myself that Metro had no other choice with that ban on the ROW in place. Even still, it's much faster than the 750 and is probably overall not *that* much slower than rail. It's only real issue is the capacity problems.

As for the "Piecemeal" approach, I disagree. There are overall plans, it's just each segment takes lots of time and money to build. For example, once the Regional Connector is built, the Blue, Gold, and Expo in particular won''t seem like random segmented lines. The East LA Gold Line was never meant to be permanently part of the gold line. The Pasadena segment was originally suppose to be part of the Blue Line in the first place. The Crenshaw Line will also seem like a random fragment of a line until it's extended North past Expo.

Also, it's difficult to cover such a large county full of suburbs when we are building our system from scratch in modern times where just laying some track cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 07:35 PM   #904
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http://thesource.metro.net/2012/06/05/expo-line-to-open-to-farmdale-station-and-culver-city-on-june-20/

Expo Line to open to Farmdale station and Culver City on June 20
Posted Jun 5, 2012 by Steve Hymon in Projects



The Culver City station and adjacent parking lot, as seen this morning. Photo by Anna Chen/Metro.

Here is the news release from Metro:

Los Angeles Mayor and Metro Board Chair Antonio Villaraigosa announced today that Metro will officially open to the public both the Culver City Station and the Farmdale Station along the recently opened Metro Expo Line on Wednesday, June 20 at 12 noon.

​In addition, it was announced that patrons boarding trains at both the Farmdale and Culver City Station will receive free passes to use the Expo Line on June 20.

​“The opening of the Culver City and Farmdale stations completes the first phase of the Expo line, connecting Angelenos from the Westside to Downtown and beyond,” said Mayor Villaraigosa. “We are answering the call from voters to provide more transit options and creating career opportunities for Angelenos in the process.”

​The public opening of the Culver City Station coincides with Downtown Culver City’s Third Wednesday “Summer Solstice” Happy Hour which features special offers and free goodies from over 25 participating businesses throughout the downtown area, as well as outdoor entertainment and activities. The event takes place every third Wednesday of the month from 5 p.m. to 9 p.m. in beautiful downtown Culver City.

The public is encouraged to take advantage of the opening of the Culver City Station and take the Metro Expo Line, in a short walking distance to the event, to sample artisanal cuisine and cocktails, shop at unique boutiques, view art, and enjoy a variety of live music and entertainment. For a complete list of freebies, offers, discounts and entertainment, visit www.downtownculvercity.com.

“The opening of the Culver City station is a tremendous milestone in the construction of the Expo Line from downtown Los Angeles to Santa Monica,” said Culver City Mayor Andy Weissman. “We look forward to the Expo Line bringing much needed congestion relief to our region and providing an efficient new mode of public transportation to help commuters get from home to work, recreation and to school. We welcome the opportunity to bring more visitors to shop and to dine and to create a dynamic transit oriented hub at Washington/National as this exciting, eagerly awaited project comes on line to Culver City.”

Poised to open both stations along the Metro Expo Line, Metro over the next few weeks will continue to run test trains into the new Culver City Station located at Washington and National to ensure all systems are operating properly.​

​The segment of the Metro Expo Line operating from downtown Los Angeles to the La Cienega/Jefferson Station opened to the public on April 28. Trains have been bypassing the Farmdale Station adjacent to Dorsey High School going only as far as the station at La Cienega and Jefferson. With the opening of the Farmdale Station, students attending Dorsey High School will have an additional transportation alternative by using the new Metro Expo Line.

​Phase I of the Metro Expo Line is a new $932 million, 8.6-mile light rail line from downtown Los Angeles to Culver City. It has 12 stations with two stations shared with the Metro Blue Line. The new light rail line serves USC, Exposition Park, The Mid-City communities, the Crenshaw District and Culver City.

​Phase II of the Metro Expo Line, a $1.5 billion 6.6-mile extension from Culver City to Santa Monica, is funded under the Measure R half-cent sale tax initiative approved by the voters in 2008. Phase II will have seven stations serving West Los Angeles/Santa Monica and is expected to be completed in 2016.

​Both Phase I and II of the Metro Expo Line are being built by the Exposition Metro Line Construction Authority. Once completed, they are turned over to Metro to operate. For more information about the new Metro Expo Line, visit metro.net/expo or buildexpo.org.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:18 PM   #905
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The opening of the two new Expo Line stations is welcome news for the Westside. Unfortunately for the Valley, the extension of Orange Line to Chstaworth will likely not open this month as anticipated. According to Metro's latest bus-related press release, "Service on the new Metro Orange Line Extension is expected to start this summer. Check metro.net for an opening date announcement" (Source: http://thesource.metro.net/2012/06/0...-to-expo-line/).

On the other hand, they will open the CSU Northridge transit center on June 17, 2012. This will serve buses 167 and 741.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #906
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The opening of the two new Expo Line stations is welcome news for the Westside. Unfortunately for the Valley, the extension of Orange Line to Chstaworth will likely not open this month as anticipated. According to Metro's latest bus-related press release, "Service on the new Metro Orange Line Extension is expected to start this summer. Check metro.net for an opening date announcement" (Source: http://thesource.metro.net/2012/06/0...-to-expo-line/).

On the other hand, they will open the CSU Northridge transit center on June 17, 2012. This will serve buses 167 and 741.
The Orange Line Extension opens June 30:
http://www.metro.net/projects/orangeline/
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Old June 7th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #907
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So June 30 it is then. But Metro needs to harmonize its PR campaign. The site linked above also says "Forecast to open summer 2012."

On the day the extension opens, there will be free rides to the porn industry district of Chatsworth.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #908
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Is this finished and working? Then, can i go from Redondo Beach to the Downtown, Hollywood Reservoir or toluca lake using underground? How does it works? It's really expensive?

PD: I'm an European tourist.

PD2: Where can i found a map with the directions of all the metro stations?
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Old June 21st, 2012, 06:38 AM   #909
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They've opened the Expo to Culver City. Hooray.

But Metro to Century City is still centuries away because of local opposition from the botox mafia of Beverly Hills. Those shahs of Sunset should all be sent back to Iran where they came from and stop preventing LA from moving forward with its transit plans.
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Old June 21st, 2012, 10:52 PM   #910
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That difference map from 5 years ago isn't really impressive. So basically two new branches in 5 years. Not terrible, not great either.
Thank god for plan R.

Anyway that Beverly Hills vid is so [email protected](%!^& stupid
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 09:10 PM   #911
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That difference map from 5 years ago isn't really impressive. So basically two new branches in 5 years. Not terrible, not great either.
Thank god for plan R.

Anyway that Beverly Hills vid is so [email protected](%!^& stupid
These lines are opening in the next 5 years:

Gold Line Foothill Extension Phase 2a 2015
Expo Line Phase 2 to Santa Monica 2016
Crenshaw Line 2016

Here is a timetable if the Measure R Extension is passed:


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Old June 23rd, 2012, 02:44 AM   #912
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How fast are all these light rail routes going to be? Metro LA is big so speed would be important no?
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 09:14 PM   #913
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How much more construction would be needed to achieve the same public transport density, frequency and reliability as NYC? The last time I was in LA (10 years ago) renting a car was the only sane option for any reasonably well-off visitor. On the other hand renting a car is the last option I would consider in New York...
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Old June 24th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #914
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questions

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There are plans to extend the Orange Line to Burbank and then to Grendale?

The purple line will be extended to UCLA in the future?
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I thought I'd play the map game and try my hand at what the Metro system might look like in 30 or so years if the various attempts to accelerate transportation projects all work out (and Beverly Hills doesn't litigate against all of them).

In addition to the imminently planned projects, I've drawn the theorized East LA - Silverlake and Glendale - Vermont lines, an extended Pink Line to Venice, and a Burbank - Pasadena orange line extension.

One particular thing of note I wanted to address was using Neighborhood names as station names - but still keeping intersections on the map as, in LA, they're generally more helpful for navigation than neighborhood names.

A good portion of the basic layout is based on the 30/10 Transport Politic map that's floating around.

Anyway, here you go:
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Beautifully done! If we had that system, LA would be a completely different city. I feel as though if the people in charge pushed this map out to the masses as a way of getting the citizens excited, we could pass any tax to build it.

I think the only gap that would need filling in that map would be another line in the Hollywood area that hits Melrose.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 01:02 AM   #917
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Thank you! Also, for fun, here's the current Metro Map:
http://i.imgur.com/DNEEA.jpg
and the Metro Map with all the projects currently fully approved or under construction:
http://i.imgur.com/zEqkQ.jpg
all in the same style. Long way to go.
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Nandert, that is incredible. This will be useful in passing Measure R+. Lots of people need to see this.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #919
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Thank you! Also, for fun, here's the current Metro Map:
http://i.imgur.com/DNEEA.jpg
and the Metro Map with all the projects currently fully approved or under construction:
http://i.imgur.com/zEqkQ.jpg
all in the same style. Long way to go.
Thank you very mcuh, this was what i was looking for!
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Old June 26th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #920
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Thank you! Also, for fun, here's the current Metro Map:
http://i.imgur.com/DNEEA.jpg
and the Metro Map with all the projects currently fully approved or under construction:
http://i.imgur.com/zEqkQ.jpg
all in the same style. Long way to go.
Nandert, you are famous
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