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Old June 28th, 2014, 05:23 PM   #1321
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What is the main reason they didn't just put the people mover to Aviation/Century?
They are building/planning to build a consolidated rental car facility and check in facility just north of Century Blvd. and want to integrate the LRT stop into the facility. I don't think there is adequate space around Century Blvd to build those facilities or re-align the roadways.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:44 PM   #1322
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New train station at 96th and Aviation approved that will connect to the LAX people mover!



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"should include check-in counters, flight information boards, vendors and currency exchange locations. The board also asked transit officials to review baggage check facilities at similar airport transportation centers in other cities and determine whether that service could be added."
What is the point of building a people mover if it doesn't stop at each terminal?
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Old June 29th, 2014, 03:18 PM   #1323
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What is the point of building a people mover if it doesn't stop at each terminal?
The people mover will connect to the new LRT station and connect to every terminal.
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Old June 30th, 2014, 05:38 AM   #1324
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So will there be separate landside and airside people mover loops?

Or will you have to leave security?
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Old July 1st, 2014, 03:45 AM   #1325
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So will there be separate landside and airside people mover loops?

Or will you have to leave security?
I found a report that detailed separate landside and airside people movers. But it was from 2003.

And I found this in the comments at http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...ver_system.php :

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And let's not get started on how this is probably the only airport anyone's ever heard of where you cannot transfer from one terminal to another on a connection without being forced to go through security again. Ever seen what those lines can be like? Go to Dallas, where there are two count them people mover systems; one on the street side of security, the other within the "sterile" zone. They're still clueless about this at LAX.
I hope someone who knows about this will enlighten us!
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Old July 1st, 2014, 05:29 AM   #1326
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And let's not get started on how this is probably the only airport anyone's ever heard of where you cannot transfer from one terminal to another on a connection without being forced to go through security again. Ever seen what those lines can be like? Go to Dallas, where there are two count them people mover systems; one on the street side of security, the other within the "sterile" zone. They're still clueless about this at LAX.
The people mover on the street side of security at DFW is closed now. It was the original one before skytrain. Author may be thinking of Houston where are two distinct people mover systems for either side of secuirty.

But yeah, DFW really sucked when the people mover was outside of security. Skytrain fixed DFW.

I don't know enough about airports or hang out in the airport forum enough, but I wonder if the design of "narrow concourses on the periphery of a road/parking maze" is horribly outmoded as an airport design. More modern ones seem to have a central concourse with a lot of room for security queues, baggage claim, etc, and then a spine with terminals off that. Like Atlanta.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:07 PM   #1327
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LA Regional Connector LRT contract signed
Tuesday, July 08, 2014



LOS ANGELES County Metropolitan Transportation Authority (LACMTA) has signed a $US 918m design-build contract with a joint venture of Skanska and Traylor Brothers for the 3km Regional Connector light rail link in Los Angeles city centre.

The underground line will link the Gold Line in Little Tokyo with the Expo and Blue lines, which currently terminate at Flower and 7th Street. The connector will have three new stations: 1st Street and Central Avenue, 2nd Street and Broadway, and 2nd and Hope streets. LACTMA forecasts initial weekday ridership of around 60,000.

The project will reconfigure the three existing LRT lines into two lines, one running north-south and the other east-west, and for many passengers it will eliminate the need to make more than one change between light rail and the metro Red and Purple lines.

Construction work will start immediately and the link is due to be completed in October 2020
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Old July 18th, 2014, 08:55 AM   #1328
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http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...o_pas.php#more

Earlier this month, Governor Brown lifted a ban on at-grade rail in parts of the San Fernando Valley (it had been illegal!), and ever since Metro's been moving fast to explore major transit improvements along the wildly popular Orange Line busway and in the Valley in general. It's now considering some very big-deal projects: a conversion of the Orange Line to light rail, and then a connection from the Orange Line to Bob Hope Airport in Burbank and on to the Gold Line to Pasadena (and eventually Azusa, and maybe Montclair), as well as a Red Line connection to Bob Hope. Daaaaaamn! Next week, the Metro board will consider a committee motion to explore all these options and to possibly add them to Metro's Long Range Transit Plan, The Source reports. If the proposals move to the LRTP, they could get a little closer to reality should voters pass an extension of 2008's Measure R transit/freeway tax, or an entirely new transportation tax, in 2016 (neither of which have been formally proposed yet).

The studies for improvements to the Orange Line will look at:
· adding more articulated buses
· converting the line to light rail
· signal prioritization
· grade-separating part of the line
· adding these options to the LRTP

Metro may also establish the San Fernando/San Gabriel Valley High Capacity Transit Corridor, which could include:
· connecting the Gold Line to Bob Hope Airport's Regional Intermodal Transportation Center, then to the North Hollywood Orange Line terminus, allowing trains to travel all the way from Azusa (or Montclair) to Warner Center if the Orange Line is converted to rail
· connecting the Red Line to Burbank Airport
· building a busway from the Orange Line to the Gold Line
· adding whatever is chosen to the LRTP

Metro is going to take a deeper look at all projects considered for the LRTP, The Source reports, and work to better prioritize the ones that will help the most people, not just serve as prizes to politicians and voting blocs.
· Motion asks for study of upgrading Orange Line and possibly connecting to Pasadena [The Source]
· It's Now Legal to Build Light Rail in the San Fernando Valley [Curbed LA]
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Old July 18th, 2014, 08:59 AM   #1329
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I like the new map! ^ it shows the updated Expo Line going from Santa Monica to East Los, and the blue line headed to Pasadena thru the RC in DT...cool!
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Old August 1st, 2014, 07:32 PM   #1330
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The Missing Link: Exploring the Regional Connector Transit Corridor

http://www.kcet.org/socal/departures...-corridor.html



By Eric Brightwell | July 31, 2014

There are five Metro rail projects currently under construction in Los Angeles: the Crenshaw Line, the Expo Line, the Gold Line, the Purple Line, and the Regional Connector. At just 1.9 miles long, the Regional Connector is the shortest in length but its consequences will be among the most far-reaching. That's because when it's completed it will connect Long Beach to Azusa with a single line, and Santa Monica to East Los Angeles with another.

Right now, if one needs to connect from 7th Street/Metro Center to Union Station, one must close the gap by taking either the Red or Purple Line subways, the Silver Line (or some other bus), a roughly fifteen minute bike ride or half hour walk across downtown, or some other means. The Regional Connector will fix this shortcoming by connecting what are currently known as the Expo and Blue Lines with what's currently the Gold Line. When this is done, the lines will be reconfigured so that the Expo Line will continue along the southern route of the Gold Line to East Los Angeles and, further down the line, either South El Monte or Whittier, depending on what route is chosen. The Blue Line will connect with the northern route of the Gold Line, pass through Union Station on its way to Azusa and in the future, to Montclair. From Union Station, riders can connect to a variety of transit options including the LAX Flyaway, Metrolink, Amtrak, and some day, California High Speed Rail. (The Regional Connector should not be confused the Downtown L.A. Streetcar, which is something more akin to a novelty/tourist trolley and which, if built, will follow a small looping around Downtown.)

The Regional Connector will pass through or near the Downtown neighborhoods of the Arts District, the Broadway Theater District, Bunker Hill, Chinatown, the Civic Center, El Pueblo, the Financial District, Gallery Row, Little Tokyo, the Old Bank District, and the Toy District, as well as the nearby neighborhoods of Temple-Beaudry and Westlake. Three new stops will be built along the way: First Street/Central Avenue, Second Street/Broadway, and Second Place/Hope Street.

First Street/Central Avenue Station
The site of the future First Street/Central Avenue Station is located catercorner to the existing Gold Line Little Tokyo/Arts District Station (which it will replace) near the border of Little Tokyo and the Arts District. The site is currently home to some 19th century (old by Los Angeles standards) red brick buildings that were home of beloved institutions like Atomic Cafe, Troy Café, Señor Fish, the Spice Table, Weiland Brewery, and other businesses over their century-long existences. They were obtained by Metro through eminent domain, and will be demolished soon.

Aside from these modest buildings, not much of historic Little Tokyo remains aside from a row of buildings on the north side of First Street and, behind them, a nearly century-old tree. The majestic 20 meter tall Moreton Bay Fig tree known as the Aoyoma Tree was planted around 1920 by Reverend Shutai Aoyama of the Koyasan Buddhist Temple. The temple relocated to its current location in 1940, and today the orphaned fig casts its shade over a quiet corner of a parking lot. In 2008 it was designated Los Angeles Historic Cultural Monument No. 920.

In the vicinity of the First Street/Central Station there are many attractions, including East West Players, Aratani/Japan America Theatre, several churches and temples, Honda Plaza, the Japanese American National Museum (home to both the National Center for the Preservation of Democracy and the Little Tokyo yakuza offices, if Takeshi Kitano's film "Brother" is to be taken as fact), Japanese Village Plaza Mall (with the iconic David Hyun-designed Yagura Fire Tower), The Geffen Contemporary at MOCA, the Go For Broke Monument, Little Tokyo Galleria, Weller Court, and many bakeries, cafés, izakaya, markets, and more. Nearby in the Arts District are Art Share L.A., Southern California Institute of Architecture (SCI-Arc), several art galleries, restaurants, and Angel City Brewery.


Site of First Street/Central Avenue Station


Almost a century-old Aoyama Tree, a city Historic Cultural Monument


Japanese American National Museum


First Street in Little Tokyo -- old shops on the right


Japanese Village Plaza

Second Street/Broadway Station
Second Street/Broadway Station will be built on Second Street between Broadway and Spring Street in Civic Center. Civic Center is known to most Angelenos for its collection of government buildings, including the city's iconic City Hall and before long, a new federal courthouse. Civic Center has the second largest concentration of government employees in the United States outside of Washington, D.C.

Civic Center is also home to more combined acreage of downtown park space than any neighborhood besides Dogtown, which is home to the Los Angeles State Historic Park (aka "the Cornfields"). Civic Center is home to Grand Park, the smaller City Hall Park around City Hall, and soon First and Broadway Civic Center Park -- currently under construction on a site previously known primarily for its urban ruins, graffiti, and subterranean populations of feral cats and homeless people.

The area around the future station is also home to the Angles Flight, the Downtown Independent Cinema, Grand Central Market, the Los Angeles Times Building, the Los Angeles County Law Library, the Los Angeles Police Department headquarters, and numerous popular bars and highly-regarded restaurants. Nearby, within easy walking distance, are the Historic Core neighborhoods of the Old Bank District (the city's old Financial District), Gallery Row, and the Broadway Theater District, home to the largest concentration of picture palaces in the world, the beloved Bradbury Building, and many high and low-end shops.


View from the site of Second Street/Broadway Station


Broadway Theater District


Angels Flight -- not working


New federal courthouse (under construction)


First and Broadway Civic Center Park (under construction)


Second Place/Hope Street Station
The site of future Second Place/Hope Street Station is near Grand Park, one end of which is located at Grand Avenue. Atop Bunker Hill Grand Avenue hosts a hub of cultural institutions, including California Plaza (home of MOCA, the Colburn School of Performing Arts, and Grand Performances) and the Music Center (which includes the Ahmanson Theater, the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, the Mark Taper Forum, and Walt Disney Concert Hall -- itself home of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, L.A. Master Chorale, and REDCAT).

The station will also serve the well-populated residential colonies of Angelus Plaza, Bunker Hill Towers, Promenade Towers, and Promenade West. Though little-loved by most architecture fans (at the time of their construction, Promenade Towers were the largest residential colony in the city; now second largest, their main claim to fame is still being the ugliest), they are home to a huge population of downtown residents, most of whom lived in Downtown in the period before the Adaptive Reuse Ordinance, when most narratives claim that Downtown was lifeless and dead. The residents of these older structures, along with those of Geoff Palmer's freeway-hugging Faux-talian fortresses, will be among those who will benefit from the Regional Connector's additional transit option.

The area around the future station is also home to the beautiful John Ferraro Building (formerly the LADWP Building), the frequently-filmed Second Street Tunnel (as well as the almost never filmed Third Street Tunnel), the gleaming, generic skyscrapers of the Financial District (with their restaurants, plop art, and landscaped plazas), the World Trade Center, the Stuart M. Ketchum Downtown YMCA (with its Morgan Adams Jr. Sculpture Garden), the Calvin S. Hamilton Pedway, and the Eli and Edythe Broad Art Museum (currently under construction).

From there the train will connect with the existing 7th Street Metro Center, and in doing so end that station's place as a train terminus. However, located on the bustling edge of the Financial District and (New) South Park, and connecting to several train lines -- as well as many DASH, Metro, Torrance Transit, Big Blue Bus, California Shuttle Bus, Foothill Transit, and OCTA bus lines -- it will likely remain one of the city's busiest stations. The new stations and Regional Connector are forecast to begin service in 2020.


Site of Second Plact/Hope Street Station


Dorothy Chandler Pavillion


Grand Park and Jacques Lipchitz's Peace on Earth


Third Street Tunnel


John Ferraro Building
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Old August 1st, 2014, 07:40 PM   #1331
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Has there been any attitude change about public transport in LA during the last years? 10 years ago it was: Public transport? Are you crazy? It's for poor people, I have a perfectly good car to get anywhere I want.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 08:15 PM   #1332
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There's been a dramatic shift in favor of transit-, bike- and pedestrian-friendly urban planning, especially among young people. I'm in my late 20s, been here about ten years, and (especially in the last 2-3 years) everyone I know is taking the existing and upcoming rail lines, the rapid bus, bike routes, and the walkability of their neighborhoods into consideration when they're choosing a place to live. There's a lot of optimism and excitement about LA's current transit boom amongst my peers, which Metro and the Mayor are doing a fine job of stoking.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 08:34 PM   #1333
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That's good to hear. If LA can change then so can any other city on this planet.
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Now let's hope all new rail projects are high speed and frequent. The less at-grade crossings the better. I think LA should think about subways in stead of light rail (be it above/underground or at-grade) in stead of light rail. It's time to think about the future when frequencies and capacity might need to be increased. Any time spent sitting in a train that's stopped in front crossing with a car accident is time wasted. Of course the building costs are probably higher, but you would run into less problems achieve and better service in the long run.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 01:31 AM   #1335
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I really liked the Red Line when I was in LA. Certainly the most modern of the systems in the USA I've been on. It didn't seem like too many tourists knew about it though, and I think I was the only white person on it as well.

Anyway, it was quick, modern stations, cheap. Good ride.
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I read that there are some plans to convert the El Monte Busway to light rail. But it seems far-fetched.
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I read that there are some plans to convert the El Monte Busway to light rail. But it seems far-fetched.
That might be a difficult proposition because, if it was to be converted to light rail, it would mean diverting the so many buses that use the El Monte Busway to the already-jammed I-10 (San Bernardino Freeway), and it could cause so many headaches to riders who already use the roadway often (especially for Foothill Transit and LA Metro Silver Line commuters). Should that be converted into a light rail service, however, it will take some time as it will involve adding rail tracks, moving the carpool lanes around, and addressing congestion issues, especially near CSULA and El Monte Transit Center.

And by the way, the El Monte Busway is used by Foothill Transit a lot, especially that the Silver Streak (Downtown LA-Montclair via El Monte) runs 24 hours a day, everyday.
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But many buses could be withdrawn, passengers would transfer to light rail.
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That might be a difficult proposition because, if it was to be converted to light rail, it would mean diverting the so many buses that use the El Monte Busway to the already-jammed I-10
BRT and LRT can share lanes. Might not be ideal, but it can be done if the alternative (moving buses to a saturated road) is worse.
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