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Old August 26th, 2014, 10:47 PM   #1361
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In what might be a first, an anglophone celebrity and spouse took the LA Metro (to the Emmy Awards):

http://instagram.com/p/sIyTrZPtq3/
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Old August 27th, 2014, 01:42 AM   #1362
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now how about having that always happen
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Old August 27th, 2014, 02:10 AM   #1363
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In what might be a first, an anglophone celebrity and spouse took the LA Metro (to the Emmy Awards):

http://instagram.com/p/sIyTrZPtq3/
lol, thats pretty cool of Jimmy. A few celebs biked to the Emmys as well, several from Santa Monica, which is about 15 miles to Downtown LA.

Also, Vincent Kartheiser (Mad Men) is a regular user of the LA metro and i think he blogs about it
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Old August 27th, 2014, 02:36 AM   #1364
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My former boss and her husband (producers on Homeland and Mad Men, respectively) were among the cyclists. Pretty badass, and love the example they and Kimmel are setting.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:39 AM   #1365
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Some of these numbers (such as net change in GGE) look a little suspect.

And this is only one example anyway.

Examine Portland and Seattle. It may be enlightening.
If you are a fan of light rail, you absolutely do not want to look at the numbers for Seattle. The cost is outrageous.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:58 AM   #1366
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If you are a fan of light rail, you absolutely do not want to look at the numbers for Seattle. The cost is outrageous.
Much of Seattle's light rail right of way is either elevated or in underground tunnels which are much more costly to construct as opposed to using existing streets as right of way which is significantly cheaper. That would probably explain the cost differential compared with other light rail lines.

Anyways given Seattle's hilly topography much of the grade separation was probably necessary to begin with.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 05:07 AM   #1367
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Sorry, I think I meant to say Tacoma rather than Seattle.

Point is, LRT is generally better than BRT.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 02:40 AM   #1368
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I don't think Tacoma Link is anyone's idea of a great streetcar system. Tacoma Link hasn't met ridership projections despite charging no fare and having free parking and a connection to commuter rail at one end. My understanding is that Sound Transit plans to start charging a fare next month.

The entire design of Tacoma Link is frustrating. The master plan calls for the Link light rail system to eventually meet one end of the Tacoma Link streetcar line. It would great if Link light rail trains could operate through the Tacoma Link streetcar line, but that won't happen because voltages and platform clearances are different.

Another interesting case is the First Hill streetcar line that is presently under construction in Seattle. The need for the line arose from the deletion of the First Hill Station that had been planned for the Link light rail line. Due to depth and soil conditions, the station had proved prohibitively expensive, which left a long gap between stations. Sound Transit performed studies for serving the area with either a streetcar line or an electric trolley bus line. The cost estimates were as follows:

Capital Cost
Streetcar: $129.7 - $149.2 million
Electric Trolley Bus: $13.4 - $15.4 million

Annual Operating Cost:
Streetcar: $5.2 million
Electric Trolley Bus: $3.5 million

Sound Transit ultimately rationalized the selection of the streetcar option based on the logic that 1) the construction cost was less than the cost savings from deleting the First Hill Station and 2) residents were expecting rail transit service.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #1369
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/metrol...57631956525976

A MANY great pictures by Metro on FLICKR of the EXPO line Construction....(Phase II). DT LA to Santa Monica Beach!




LIKE this one.. the DT Santa Monica Station.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 09:51 AM   #1370
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L.A. streetcar project shaves $55 million off cost estimate

http://www.metro-magazine.com/news/s...-estimate.aspx

Building a streetcar line in downtown Los Angeles may cost about $55 million less than officials had previously said — an estimate that has buoyed the spirits of the project's boosters, including City Councilman Jose Huizar.

But the lower price tag of about $270 million could still complicate the city's bid for a $75-million construction grant, a crucial portion of the streetcar funding plan. Projects that cost more than $250 million must compete for federal dollars alongside the nation's most expensive and sophisticated transit proposals, including subway lines.

Last fall, the initial cost for the transit loop more than doubled to $327 million. Consulting firm URS Corp., hired by the city to draw up a new estimate, says the four-mile route could be built for about $270 million, according to a final draft of the analysis obtained by The Times.

Sources familiar with the cost-estimate process who spoke on the condition of anonymity said it's unlikely that the numbers will change significantly before the Los Angeles City Council receives a formal report.

A spokesman for the city's Transportation Department said it would be "inappropriate to comment on a draft document." Officials will have a final cost estimate in two to three weeks, said James Lefton, the department's executive officer.

The streetcar line still faces a significant funding gap: A tax district approved two years ago by downtown voters would raise as much as $85 million. If the Federal Transit Administration gives the project the full $75-million grant it seeks, that would still leave a funding gap of more than $100 million. To make up the difference, Huizar spokesman Rick Coca said in an emailed statement Tuesday that the city plans to arrange a public-private partnership.

The new cost estimate is "excellent news," Coca said. He added that he expects expenses to fall as engineers begin their work.

The downtown trolley has been publicly discussed for nearly a decade, since L.A.'s Community Redevelopment Agency began pushing for a partial rebirth of the streetcar network that once crisscrossed Southern California. Streetcar supporters, including Huizar, hoped tracks in the ground could accelerate what was, at that point, downtown's nascent renaissance.


The route approved by local officials would start on 1st Street and run south on Broadway, west on 11th Street, north on Figueroa Street, east on 7th Street and north on Hill Street. Then the tracks would proceed north to Grand Avenue, turning around near the Walt Disney Concert Hall and the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion.

The Grand Avenue segment will probably be put on hold, Coca said, cutting about $15 million from the immediate project cost. Deferring construction could reduce ridership and add to the city's long-term costs, analysts wrote, because more environmental study might be needed later on.

Buying land for a maintenance facility for the streetcars could cost $28 million, analysts said in the draft report. Coca said the city is considering a joint development on that property to offset some costs. "The city is highly unlikely to purchase a piece of prime real estate in the middle of downtown and do nothing with it except build our maintenance facility," Coca said. The contingency budget of 30% will probably shrink, he said.

The city could also save nearly $19 million by running the streetcar along 9th Street, rather than 7th Street, because utility lines are sparser there and relocating them would cost less, the report said. But analysts say moving tracks away from 7th Street's restaurant row and the nearby subway stop could reduce trolley ridership.

In federal filings, city officials said the streetcar line's environmental review documents will be finished next spring, a year later than expected. They hope the $75-million grant will be awarded in the summer of 2016.

The draft report says the project could start service by the end of 2019.

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Old September 7th, 2014, 12:07 PM   #1371
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I was surprised at how good LA's Subway was actually. It was really clean and modern with big stations, very different to the rest of the USA's subways. It didn't feel very unsafe, there was a guy with a talking parrot on one of the trains too

The frequencies were pretty awful, but overall it was a pretty handy way of getting around.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 05:56 PM   #1372
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Has there been any attitude change about public transport in LA during the last years? 10 years ago it was: Public transport? Are you crazy? It's for poor people, I have a perfectly good car to get anywhere I want.
Angelenos are adaptable. You have to remember that it wasn't a "natural" shift that made us and the city "Car friendly". It was practically imposed on us, and we adapted. In the 60's Goodyear and GM made a deal with the City..."Buses are the future"...build roads and freeways and we will supply the buses. The details of the whole thing I'm sure is more interesting.

Remember, we had the single largest public rail transportation before that, bigger than Paris, London and New York. Yes times have changed, but again, we are adaptable, after all, this is California, laid back and relaxed.

People from the Valley have started to take the Subway to L.A. Kings, Lakers, Clippers games and concerts at LA Live....and to work. The Blue Line is only behind (I believe) one of Boston's in high ridership, if I'm not mistaken.

What we had before the 70's, and this isn't showing the local lines.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #1373
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I was surprised at how good LA's Subway was actually. It was really clean and modern with big stations, very different to the rest of the USA's subways. It didn't feel very unsafe, there was a guy with a talking parrot on one of the trains too

The frequencies were pretty awful, but overall it was a pretty handy way of getting around.
The stations look like they could handle a lot more people than they currently have to and are quite nice, somre are actually really cool. But it is true, the frequency is ruining the subway feel a bit. But I guess that's because the system is still very incomplete and so the ridership is nowhere near that of a well connected city of not more than 2 mio inhabitants.

You can close down a great system almost over night but it takes decades to rebuild it. At least LA is heading the right direction.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #1374
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New station canopy being built at Wilshire/Western Purple Line Station

http://thesource.metro.net/2014/09/1...-line-station/

Wilshire Western Purple Line Station Canopy





Subway riders will no doubt notice a brand new subway portal canopy now being built over the Purple Line’s Wilshire/Western Station.

The new canopy will feature new components from Metro’s “kit of parts” station design concepts that’s seeking to keep Metro structures consistent in their appearance and easier and more affordable to maintain. More importantly, the canopy should shield Metro customers from the elements and help prevent weather-related damage to escalators and other station facilities.

Construction of the canopy is expected to be completed by October of this year and will give the Wilshire/Western station a look similar to that of future stations for the Metro Purple Line Extension Project now in pre-construction.
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http://thesource.metro.net/2014/09/1...mplementation/

Metro seeks OK to move Union Station Master Plan from planning to implementation


New plaza to replace the parking lot at the front of the station.


Sitting at a new plaza overlooking the historic patios – the view is looking north.


Walking west over a new pedestrian bridge that spans the railroad tracks and platforms and connects the east and west sides of the Union Station property.


Looking north, with the relocated Patsaouras Bus Plaza to the east and the historic station to the west.


A rendering of the new east entrance to the station, looking toward Vignes Street.


[IMG]The western end of the new expanded concourse, showing one of the sunken areas, and views to the trains above.[/IMG]


An aerial view of Union Station with potential future development and strong connections to neighboring communities and amenities.


A ground floor site plan of the Master Plan. The big changes: a relocated Patsaouras Bus Plaza would be elevated and be located between the rear of the historic concourse and the existing railroad tracks. The current pedestrian tunnel under the tracks and platforms would be replaced by a widened multi-modal concourse, with two sunken areas offering seating and amenities.


This rendering shows the expanded multi-modal concourse, with a direct connection to HSR station below grade on the east side of Vignes. The USMP could support other approaches to a HSR station as well.
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Not quite as nice as the renderings of the new Union Station, but this is an updated Measure R2 map from Move LA.

http://buildinglosangeles.blogspot.c...ntasy-map.html
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Imagine that long North-South Grand Boulevard being and actual grand boulevard all the way from the hills to the sea. That's a 1½-2 days walk along a straight street that could be a great urban walk all the way. Mindblowing.
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Imagine that long North-South Grand Boulevard being and actual grand boulevard all the way from the hills to the sea. That's a 1½-2 days walk along a straight street that could be a great urban walk all the way. Mindblowing.
That would be Vermont Avenue, which is the city's busiest north-south corridor. It's probably deserving of a heavy rail metro line, but politics will prevent that from occurring for the foreseeable future.

In more Union Station news...

The Architect's Newspaper with a nice visualization of the proposed master plan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWKW8VaYDM0
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Old October 1st, 2014, 02:30 AM   #1379
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Metro breaks ground on key downtown L.A. subway link

Transportation officials Tuesday cheered the start of construction for a subway project designed to close a frustrating gap in Los Angeles County's growing rail network.

During a symbolic groundbreaking in Little Tokyo, local and federal representatives touted the 1.9-mile, $1.4-billion Downtown Regional Connector's potential to help unite a sprawling and congested region. The subway project is designed to provide a connection between three disjointed rail lines in downtown Los Angeles.

The project is scheduled to open in 2020. It will allow Metro Blue, Gold and Expo lines to run through the urban core between a 7th Street subway station in the southwest section of downtown and Union Station on the Central City's northeastern edge.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...930-story.html
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