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Old December 22nd, 2014, 12:02 AM   #1441
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Shame they can't build one that red line trains can go through aswell.

About 11 miles long
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 09:24 PM   #1442
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LA is selling the expanded and robust Metro system for it's bid for the 2024 Olympics. It should be well advanced by then, with the LAX people mover and additional lines. It is one of the key points in it's bid presentation, I read.

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Old December 22nd, 2014, 09:35 PM   #1443
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LA is selling the expanded and robust Metro system for it's bid for the 2024 Olympics. It should be well advanced by then, with the LAX people mover and additional lines. It is one of the keys points in it's bid presentation, I read.
By 2024 we will have the following completed (and im sure a few more under construction)

1) LAX People Mover
2) Downtown LA Connector
3) Purple Line Extension to UCLA
4) Crenshaw Line
5) Gold Line extension to Azusa
6) Expo Line to Santa Monica
7) HSR to at least Burbank, and possibly to Union Station
8) A Fully remodeled and upgraded Union Station


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Old December 22nd, 2014, 10:08 PM   #1444
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Metrolink appears to be more and more neglected by the day. Ridership is falling, whereas other rail services saw much increase (Metro, LOSSAN etc) over last decade.
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 11:51 PM   #1445
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By 2024 we will have the following completed (and im sure a few more under construction)

1) LAX People Mover
2) Downtown LA Connector
3) Purple Line Extension to UCLA
4) Crenshaw Line
5) Gold Line extension to Azusa
6) Expo Line to Santa Monica
7) HSR to at least Burbank, and possibly to Union Station
8) A Fully remodeled and upgraded Union Station


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Fascinating! To think where we were for the 84 Olympics.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 12:10 AM   #1446
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There is a good chance of Olympics in US in 2024 as at that time it will have been 28 years since Atlanta. Nevertheless I'd prefer some other city in US/Canada gets a chance for their first Olympics.

Infrastructure build up mentioned above is of course great news, particularly if it all really happens till 2024.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 01:59 AM   #1447
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A new pedestrian tunnel is being built to connect North Hollywood Red Line metro station and North Hollywood Orange Line BRT station. The underpass means pedestrians will no longer have to cross busy Lankershim Blvd.

Bitchy blog posting here: http://la.streetsblog.org/2014/12/16...and-red-lines/
I can't believe that a multibillion dollar transit system was built in such a way as to require tens of thousands of riders per day to cross a busy street on foot. Or that it's costing $22m to fix the problem now.

Bitchy? I'll help with that!
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 06:48 AM   #1448
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LA is selling the expanded and robust Metro system for it's bid for the 2024 Olympics. It should be well advanced by then, with the LAX people mover and additional lines. It is one of the key points in it's bid presentation, I read.
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By 2024 we will have the following completed (and im sure a few more under construction)

1) LAX People Mover
2) Downtown LA Connector
3) Purple Line Extension to UCLA
4) Crenshaw Line
5) Gold Line extension to Azusa
6) Expo Line to Santa Monica
7) HSR to at least Burbank, and possibly to Union Station
8) A Fully remodeled and upgraded Union Station


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Not so sure if there's much chance for Los Angeles for getting the 2024 olympics, but if it does (or if gets the next one in 2028) I guess the they would something like the 30/10 program in order to have as much transportation infraestructure as possible. Obviously in that case it would be much more easy to have federal financing for that.
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Old January 10th, 2015, 09:31 PM   #1449
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From Los Angeles Daily News:

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Streetcars in downtown L.A. draw support from private sector
01/07/15, 7:33 PM PST

Plans to build a downtown Los Angeles streetcar system drew wide support from the private sector, boosting plans to begin a formal bidding process for the 3.8-mile project, a city official announced Wednesday.

Councilman Jose Huizar, who has been behind the $274 million effort in his district, said two dozen transportation development companies responded to requests for feedback on whether they would be interested in joining with the city on the streetcars.

“We knew there were possibilities in developing a public-private partnership for the L.A. streetcar project, but two dozen firms responding at this early stage shows undeniably strong private-sector interest,” Huizar said.

“It tells us that the voters who supported the streetcars were right. It will be a game changer for downtown and the entire region.”

Voters had approved a $62.5 million bond for the cars, which would run through the heart of downtown, along 1st Street, Broadway, 11th Street, Figueroa Street, 7th or 9th street, Hill Street and possibly Grand Avenue

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Old January 11th, 2015, 12:07 AM   #1450
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From Los Angeles Daily News:3.8-mile project
Eek - don't get carried away there folks

3.8-miles, seriously, why bother?

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Old January 11th, 2015, 02:20 AM   #1451
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A loop sharing lanes with cars. Why bother.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 02:42 AM   #1452
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With the announcement that LA will not be the United States' bid city for the 2024 Olympics, there's been a bit of talk that the "urgency" to complete several of our transit and infrastructure projects won't be there, and that several of them could drag out much longer than if we had gotten the bid. Do you guys think that's likely to be true?

My hope is that LA just sets its sights on being the US representative in 2028 (because, come on, the IOC is really going to pick Boston?) and keep angling to have even more done by then.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 06:37 AM   #1453
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Streetcars? Really?

Is there no end to this sick fetish?
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Old January 11th, 2015, 11:26 AM   #1454
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What's wrong with having streetcars?
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Old January 11th, 2015, 04:23 PM   #1455
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They offer the functionality of a bus at the cost of a rail system.

Actually, they don't even offer the functionality of a bus. Buses can go around minor obstructions such as illegally parked cars. Streetcars can't.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 04:42 PM   #1456
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For psychological reasons people prefer using trams over buses. Perhaps because they are seen as more reliable and permanent. That's in addition to higher capacity.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 07:37 PM   #1457
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They offer the functionality of a bus at the cost of a rail system.

Actually, they don't even offer the functionality of a bus. Buses can go around minor obstructions such as illegally parked cars. Streetcars can't.
It all depends on how high you aim. Good public transport usually has private ROW where cars really aren't a problem.

Trams take up less space on the roadway than buses, because they don't need the extra space for maneuverability. Though this potential can only be realized if the street doesn't have a bus line already, so it's best if the city has a big tram network where buses aren't needed at the city center. And, as Sunsfuns mentioned, they have a much higher maximum capacity than buses - a cheaper alternative to subways, not an expensive alternative to buses.

All in all, trams are best only when it comes to large scale systems - with many lines with frequent services by tram vehicles carrying up to 600+ people each. I think that such a megapolis as LA could aim so high. But if you build a streetcar the size of a regular bendy bus and put it on a street with no private ROW, then the construction of it really isn't justified.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 09:06 PM   #1458
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Trams are so much better than buses, the ride is just so much more enjoyable and because it's always the same on every journey it becomes a very familiar way to travel. I', a storng supporter of trams and a pathological hater of buses.

A tram ROW can be shared with a bus route though, so the existence of a bus line on a road doesn't preclude trams as well.

But seriously, a short loop like this is just stupid. All it will do is prove financially nonviable and prove no-one wants to use the service. LA should build a proper route running from somewhere significant to downtown and out the other side to somewhere else significant. If you can't do that, don't bother.

* Sorry, "tram"=Streetcar" as I'm sure you know. I'm English

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Old January 11th, 2015, 09:12 PM   #1459
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All it will do is prove financially nonviable and prove no-one wants to use the service.
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The useless streetcar will doom transit projects for a generation. In a region of the country where transportation funding is subject to the whims of the electorate, why would anyone support a vanity project to put empty streetcars on roads that are shared with drivers/voters?

I hope at the very least that if they go through with this, they allocate enough money to tint the tram windows so the emptiness cannot be glimpsed at from the outside.
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They could also put stickers of people on the tram
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