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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:32 AM   #1541
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Old February 24th, 2015, 04:37 PM   #1542
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There has been a Metrolink derailment in Oxnard, CA due to the train striking a car on the tracks.

This was train #102, originating at East Ventura at 5:25 am, due Union Station at 7:14 am.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/...ain-on-tracks/
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Old February 24th, 2015, 04:49 PM   #1543
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Oxnard, CA | 2015.02.24 Metrolink derailment


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Old February 24th, 2015, 04:53 PM   #1544
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Ouch. That looks like quite an extreme crash. I thought that trains in the US were far sturdier than European ones and derailments like this are much more rare. No one killed?
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Old February 24th, 2015, 05:15 PM   #1545
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There may have been a fatality in one of the trucks that was hit by the train at the grade crossing. This is what is left of it:


https://twitter.com/KTLAMorningNews/...38701332258816


https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/...36733637292032

Thirty injuries were reported. The train left East Ventura and stopped at Oxnard before the incident. Metrolink has push-pull operation and it looks like here the locomotive was pushing the four bi-level cars, and with the impact point at the lead car, three of the four cars derailed.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 06:18 PM   #1546
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The car on the far right in the top post was the cab car. It was from the new order put in to have enhanced safety after an earlier crash. It looks to have done it's job.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 07:04 PM   #1547
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It looks to have done it's job.
Is that a joke? How does this incident give anyone confidence in safety at the railroad? Granted this was the result of a criminal trespass, and thankfully it looks like there were no passenger fatalities, but Metrolink seems to have a reputation for these types of incidents while other commuter railroads do not (except Metro North lately).

Is the lack of pax fatalities due to the safety of the fleet or the fact that this occurred early in the run instead of later (e.g., Chatsworth), when the train would have had more folks on board?
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Old February 24th, 2015, 07:04 PM   #1548
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The solution seems obvious but very pricey.

Grade separation
Grade separation
Grade separation

I don't have any numbers, but it seems 90% of the passenger train derailments and crashes in recent years were due to cars and trucks getting hit by trains at grade crossings. I think transit systems should look carefully at their grade crossings and try to eliminate them with bridges.

I've seen numerous reports of transit systems upgrading their grade crossings, but grade separation is the way to go.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 07:32 PM   #1549
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Is that a joke?
No. I can tell at a glance that the new rolling stock has maintained structural integrity to a significant degree. That was its job in the event of a collision, and it has done its job.

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How does this incident give anyone confidence in safety at the railroad?
Because the railroad is clearly not to blame for the criminal trespass of other parties and because its equipment was adequate to avoid fatalities even in these circumstances.

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Granted this was the result of a criminal trespass, and thankfully it looks like there were no passenger fatalities, but Metrolink seems to have a reputation for these types of incidents while other commuter railroads do not (except Metro North lately).
Sadly, one of the likely reasons for this is that the railroads in Los Angeles are not embedded into the collective consciousness of the community to a significant degree. Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago all have massive commuter rail systems with numerous grade crossings. However, these systems have been operating at high frequency for a century now. The local residents are accustomed to the need to be vigilant at railroad crossings. Sadly, Metrolink is relatively new, and the local community has not yet acclimated to its presence-the system has only recently begun to operate at a degree of frequency comparable to Boston or Philadelphia. As time passes, and Metrolink's presence in the community expands, these types of accidents will decrease.

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Is the lack of pax fatalities due to the safety of the fleet or the fact that this occurred early in the run instead of later (e.g., Chatsworth), when the train would have had more folks on board?
I'll go with the former, although the latter probably did help as well.

You are becoming increasingly cynical lately, Mr./Ms. Woonsocket, and it is becoming somewhat distressful. There is no reason to assume that Metrolink is doomed to a bloody collapse in the future, which is what you seem to be implying to me. That cigar-smocking image does not help you come across as an intelligent and reasonable figure-the An-225 was more intellectual, in my personal opinion.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 07:37 PM   #1550
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There is no reason to assume that Metrolink is doomed to a bloody collapse in the future, which is what you seem to be implying to me.
I don't think Metrolink is doomed to a bloody collapse. It has had more than its share of bloody incidents, but I never implied this is indicative of its future. Your interpretation of my words is just that.

Now, as for the incident, I noticed the track got bent out of shape, but interestingly not at the point of impact. I wonder how that happened.


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Old February 24th, 2015, 08:22 PM   #1551
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Could someone pinpoint the location of the crash on Google Street View?
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Old February 24th, 2015, 08:23 PM   #1552
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The solution seems obvious but very pricey.

Grade separation
Grade separation
Grade separation

I don't have any numbers, but it seems 90% of the passenger train derailments and crashes in recent years were due to cars and trucks getting hit by trains at grade crossings. I think transit systems should look carefully at their grade crossings and try to eliminate them with bridges.

I've seen numerous reports of transit systems upgrading their grade crossings, but grade separation is the way to go.
In USA the easier solution would be better planning in order to eliminate stupid places where a truck behind a red light can block the railway...
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Old February 24th, 2015, 09:40 PM   #1553
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Could someone pinpoint the location of the crash on Google Street View?
5th/Rice Ave
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1970...data=!3m1!1e3?
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Old February 25th, 2015, 03:07 AM   #1554
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Looks like this was classified as a hit-and-run

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OXNARD, Calif. (KABC) -- A 54-year-old truck driver from Arizona was arrested for felony hit-and-run after a Metrolink train headed toward Los Angeles struck a large pickup truck, which was hauling a trailer, on the tracks in Oxnard. No fatalities were reported, Oxnard police said.

Ventura County Line Train 102 crashed at about 5:40 a.m. near 5th Street and Rice Avenue. The vehicle caught fire after the crash.

The driver managed to flee the scene, Oxnard fire officials said. An officer spotted a man walking on Rice Avenue about a mile south of the accident and determined that he was the driver. He was identified as 54-year-old Jose Alejandro Sanchez Ramirez.
http://abc7.com/news/metrolink-train...nd-run/532179/

I would be interested in knowing what the actual indictment says and how it fits within the prongs of this particular charge (whether hit-and-run means the same as "get hit while trespassing and run away").
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Old February 25th, 2015, 04:14 AM   #1555
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And there you go.

The officials are quoted as citing the improved safety systems for helping to contribute to the no-fatality achievement.
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Old February 25th, 2015, 08:32 AM   #1556
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Still, according to this map Oxnard is a long way out of L.A.. Grade crossings are always better but it's better to start in the city and work your way out.
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Old February 26th, 2015, 02:58 AM   #1557
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I would be interested in knowing what the actual indictment says and how it fits within the prongs of this particular charge (whether hit-and-run means the same as "get hit while trespassing and run away").
Actually, the latest news is that the truck traveled 80 feet down the track in a westbound direction before colliding with the eastbound train. Not clear yet if the truck was moving at the time of the collision. Train was traveling below 79mph. Forward-facing video in lead cab recorded video of incident and will be examined by NTSB. This happened in the dark of night; NTSB is investigating whether grade crossing was properly illuminated.

https://twitter.com/laura_nelson/sta...43508006408192
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Its easy to make the assumption that there is something inherently dangerous about Metrolink but really each of the accidents was different

The Placentia wreck was the fault of a freight train operator who didn't work for Metrolink passing a red signal and getting on the same track as a Metrolink train that had the right of way and couldn't stop in time. The Chatsworth accident was the reverse where a Metrolink operator screwed up and ran a red signal and got hit by a freight train.

Both of these accidents are unlikely to happen in the future because they motivated investment in positive train control systems.

The Glendale accident was botched murder-suicide. A guy parked his car on the tracks so he could kill himself when the train hit it. But he chickened out and left the vehicle. Stuff like that is just going to happen. This wreck might be like Glendale but unintentional.

What I see is here are things that could happen on any commuter railroad. Metrolink is just pretty large in terms of mileage and doesn't have as much of its own infrastructure. There are more opportunities for accidents but its not like they should be seen as especially more dangerous.

I would gladly get on a Metrolink train tommorow. I doubt anything would happen.

And the fact that the new cab cars, as ugly and heavy as they are, did do their job and keep the train intact, is a good thing.
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The Metrolink engineer involved in the Oxnard accident has died.

http://www.vcstar.com/homepage-showc...-dies_42180134
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Old March 8th, 2015, 11:41 AM   #1560
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How unfortunate. How sad.

Here's a Expo Line update dated March 7th. By Edgar Burcksen.

http://www.ipernity.com/home/expo-line
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