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Old October 15th, 2015, 11:04 AM   #1921
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Move LA Straw Man (final recommendations to Metro) includes Vermont BRT: Straw Man #50
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 11:19 PM   #1922
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GOLD LINE FOOTHILL EXTENSION

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New Metro Rail Yard in Monrovia.





Irwindale Station.



Azusa Station.



Arcadia Station.

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Old October 23rd, 2015, 05:27 AM   #1923
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Oh, yeah.

This is a thing.

I completely forgot about it.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 05:57 AM   #1924
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I like the stylized concrete freeway pillars... Whats the projected ridership of this extension?
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 07:58 AM   #1925
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 09:05 AM   #1926
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Abit low for 11 miles in Urbanized LA? I don't think you could squeeze out anymore ridership if you extend eastward.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 01:00 PM   #1927
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There is too little stations on that line.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 04:44 PM   #1928
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Abit low for 11 miles in Urbanized LA? I don't think you could squeeze out anymore ridership if you extend eastward.
There's been some plans to extend towards Ontario airport. But there are funding and jurisdictional issues.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 06:27 PM   #1929
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There's been some plans to extend towards Ontario airport. But there are funding and jurisdictional issues.
the line is about 40 km as it is right now. extending it would add another 30.
70 km is quite a lot for what is essentially a tram. But it would beat that one Line in Belgium and make it the worlds longest
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Old October 24th, 2015, 03:07 AM   #1930
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METRO Gold Line Foothill Extension

When this portion becomes the Blue Line, this will be a VERY long line.

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Old October 24th, 2015, 03:11 AM   #1931
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Appeals court upholds Final Environmental Impact Report for subway extension

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Old October 24th, 2015, 07:05 AM   #1932
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I count 24 stops from Union Station to Montclair, that's not counting a few more intermediary stations until you reach ONT airport...that would be a long ride from downtown to the airport.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 08:00 AM   #1933
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How long a journey would that be? 2-3hrs?
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Old October 24th, 2015, 05:58 PM   #1934
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How long a journey would that be? 2-3hrs?
I have to wonder about the wisdom of some of these mode choices that LA is making. Some of these distances would be better suited to commuter rail (or something like France's RER or Germany's S-Bahn) than light rail. I don't see the practicality of one single train running the entire length of the line in the future from Montclair to Long Beach. For one thing, it will likely shatter the record for the longest light rail line in the world—and create major operational challenge to keep the train on time.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 06:45 PM   #1935
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The only thing I could possibly see that doing is enabling flights into the Ontario airport instead of LAX, but if it really took 2-3 hours to travel end to end, there'd have to be a big price difference, ticket-wise, to incentivize people to do so.

Seems like a long-shot. A commuter rail would make a lot more sense, for sure.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 07:32 PM   #1936
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How Safety Rules and Enviro Regs Work to the Detriment of American Rail
Friday, October 16, 2015
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Not only do we have safety rules that are no good for safety, we also have environmental rules that are no good for the environment. In a post at Itinerant Urbanist, Sandy Johnston looks at a passenger rail project in southern California, linking San Bernardino to Redlands, as a case study in the unintended consequences of these regulations

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The project isn’t in and of itself a particularly bad one; it’s pretty low-key, in an existing right-of-way with few obstacles, and serves an area that could generate OK ridership. Though the new line will connect to Metrolink service at San Bernardino, planners are currently leaning towards running it with Diesel Multiple Unit (DMU) trains, such as those used by NICTD’s Sprinter service between Oceanside and Escondido. That’s probably the right choice; planned frequencies (30 minutes at peak) don’t justify electrification, and a pure extension of Metrolink service couldn’t offer the desired level of service.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 08:33 PM   #1937
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The only thing I could possibly see that doing is enabling flights into the Ontario airport instead of LAX, but if it really took 2-3 hours to travel end to end, there'd have to be a big price difference, ticket-wise, to incentivize people to do so.Seems like a long-shot. A commuter rail would make a lot more sense, for sure.
Regular rail would make more sense to LAX as well. The light rail being built has about 18 stations from Union station to LAX and people will have to switch lines and take a people mover to get to their terminal.

Light rail may make sense as a commute for the many people working at the airport or for those living reasonably close by, but trains are needed for those living further afield.

About Ontario airport, it would make a good alternative to LAX, especially for flights heading east. But I think LAX has some sort of control over what's being done at Ontario and they have no interest in competition.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 09:07 PM   #1938
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Regular rail would make more sense to LAX as well. The light rail being built has about 18 stations from Union station to LAX and people will have to switch lines and take a people mover to get to their terminal.

Light rail may make sense as a commute for the many people working at the airport or for those living reasonably close by, but trains are needed for those living further afield.
I'm curious, when you say regular rail, do you mean a commuter trail or HRT?

I see a couple issues with a commuter train: primarily the limited number of services. When you've got people coming in a constant stream from a busy airport, it seems to me you'd rather have frequent services that can cary a moderate number of passengers vs. less frequent services carrying many more.

HRT is an intriguing middle ground, but the main arguments against it are 1) the natural ROW between LAX and DTLA (the tracks along Florence and Slauson) are already partially occupied by the Crenshaw Line, so an incompatible HRT line would mean building a redundant second guideway, and 2) there are only a couple potential stops along that route (a transfer to Crenshaw, maybe Western, Vermont/110, Blue Line) which is good if all you want is an express train, but an HRT running that distance will be very expensive, so I'm not sure it's the best cost-benefit. I'd be curious to see the studies though.

I think our best option is LRT along the Slauson ROW, sharing the Inglewood-LAX leg with the Crenshaw Line, but with an express service skipping most of the Crenshaw stops. That gives some added service flexibility. And if it's completely grade separated, an LRT should be able to do 60-65 mph, which I believe is plenty fast (especially along Slauson, which is a much more direct route than Crenshaw/Expo) given the cost savings.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 09:16 PM   #1939
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Well, isn't Wilshire getting both BRT and subway? Could Vermont do the same?
I'd really like for Vermont to get a subway, but the reality is that's not likely at this point. The primary stumbling block is that federal funds for transit projects, which are essential for projects of this size, are based not on ridership but rather on how many people it would get out of their cars and onto transit. Since the people on Vermont already ride transit,the bus, these numbers won't be as high as lines projected with lower ridership but that hit more destinations and employment centers.

Plus LACMTA is a county agency. If lines were built where they were most needed most of the county would be left out. They have to spread the love around.
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Old October 25th, 2015, 12:20 AM   #1940
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Suburban rail doesn't have to be low frequency. I know quite a few places with service every 15 min. Whether that would be possible from LAX is of course an entirely different question.
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