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Old December 10th, 2008, 08:37 AM   #1981
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I just wanted to post a picture of it.....

Bad accident It will cause a lot of traffic jams I guess, or are they gone?
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Old December 10th, 2008, 01:12 PM   #1982
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Only 1 lightly injured luckily (the Lithuanian driver)
Well, that's a good news!
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Old December 10th, 2008, 04:34 PM   #1983
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On the radio they said that there was some shampoo that got on the road. I wonder how they cleaned it - spray it off with water?

Anyway, this morning the roads were really slippery, I had to be very careful on my bike
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Old December 10th, 2008, 04:39 PM   #1984
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They cleaned it with a socalled "ZOAB cleaner". (ZOAB = porous asphalt concrete).
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Old December 10th, 2008, 04:41 PM   #1985
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Another problem occured this afternoon at the inbound A1 motorway near Amsterdam. A big crack got into the right lane, which subsequently had to be closed. To keep the traffic flowing, the opened the tidal lane towards Amsterdam, but the problem is a lot of traffic is getting out of Amsterdam at the moment, requiring that tidel lane in the outbound direction. So, as a result, both directions are jammed, and Amsterdam can prepare for a gridlock.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 06:10 PM   #1986
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15 cars collided on the A4 motorway just south of Amsterdam (near Nieuw-Vennep). This adds to the traffic chaos around Amsterdam, nearly all motorways are jammed, causing 241 kilometers of traffic jam within a 20 kilometer range of Amsterdam.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 06:15 PM   #1987
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Utrecht: 217 kilometers traffic jam.
[IMG]http://i36.************/2s78hoi.jpg[/IMG]

Amsterdam: 228 kilometers traffic jam.
[IMG]http://i38.************/1zykodt.jpg[/IMG]

Randstad area: 597 kilometers of traffic jam.
[IMG]http://i33.************/1689c80.jpg[/IMG]

These are normal conditions.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 06:37 PM   #1988
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Those aren't normal conditions luckily, but if the government won't make any big changes it will be a normal condition in the near future. It's absurd that they allow new coal power plants being build, but new roads are denied because of environmental reasons?... I'll be glad to leave this country someday
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Old December 10th, 2008, 07:21 PM   #1989
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Wow, there is even traffic jam in Flevoland
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Old December 10th, 2008, 09:25 PM   #1990
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Utrecht: 217 kilometers traffic jam.
[IMG]http://i36.************/2s78hoi.jpg[/IMG]

Amsterdam: 228 kilometers traffic jam.
[IMG]http://i38.************/1zykodt.jpg[/IMG]

Randstad area: 597 kilometers of traffic jam.
[IMG]http://i33.************/1689c80.jpg[/IMG]

These are normal conditions.
Just curious: How are the different jam colour codings defined? I guess red refers to complete standstill, but what about the shades of yellow/orange..?
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Old December 10th, 2008, 09:30 PM   #1991
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It depends on the road type. For motorways; red is completely stationary traffic, orange is slow to stationary and yellow is slow (below 70 km/h at a 120 km/h limit or 60 km/h at 100 km/h).
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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:38 PM   #1992
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No jams near Abcoude. Holy shit

Traffic is quite bad again because of the crack in the A1. AFAIK there are still some lanes closed.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 10:19 AM   #1993
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Traffic chaos today again, this time especially around Rotterdam. A truck and two cars collided, and two lanes had to be closed on A20 (of the three lanes). The result all inbound routes were jammed, up to 40 kilometers in advance of Rotterdam.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 06:16 PM   #1994
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Wasn't the A20 the busiest motorway in the Netherlands? A big accident must be fun in rush hour....
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No, that's the A16. A20 has 180.000, A16 230.000
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Those aren't normal conditions luckily, but if the government won't make any big changes it will be a normal condition in the near future.
This country is extremely overpopulated. There are hardly any feasible solutions for that in short run.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 07:41 PM   #1997
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The planning how to divide the available land is incredibly good though. Not even 20 km out of Amsterdam's city centre you're in the middle of nowhere. But considering transportation: people need to take the bike if they have a short commute (don't take the car if you live less than 5 km from your work, unless the weather doesn't allow it), and if you can, take public transport for the longer runs. Even in my village, Abcoude, with only a few thousand inhabitants, we have very good public transportation.

Unfortunately the companies that run the public transportation are going to f*ck up the whole system from next week on, so that means that there will be 50% less trains and 50% less buses. That's also a good way to form traffic jams
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Actually, I've read under 10% of the people travelling with public transportation have an everyday alternative in the form of a car. Most of those are also travelling outside rushhours, so the effect if those people return to their cars would be pretty minimal. Initially there are more traffic jams, but we've seen that the extra amount of congestion is nearly undetectable if PT strikes for more than two days. (most recently the bus strike in May).
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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:04 PM   #1999
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Are you going to bike to your work as well when you've moved to your new house?
Or did you already move in there?
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I get my keys next week, and yes, I intend to bike as much as weather allows
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