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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #2001
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Great, no more jams for you on your way to work
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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:19 PM   #2002
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The planning how to divide the available land is incredibly good though.
What are main historical reasons for such a high population density in this particular area (Netherlands)?
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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:23 PM   #2003
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Trade, probably. The land is good for agriculture, no mountains, so it's easy to move around, and the climate is mild. And of course, once you moved in, it's impossible to get out because of the jams
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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:27 PM   #2004
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Actually 86% of the Dutch land area is unbuild. Motorways take 0,02% of the Dutch land area.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:30 PM   #2005
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Yeah, the country is 'paved over' with motorways. Those environmentalists are completely right
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Old December 12th, 2008, 08:43 AM   #2006
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Motorways take 0,02% of the Dutch land area.
how could it be?
we (in hungary) have the same ratio with much lower motorway density...

(1000km * 20m / 100.000km2 = 0,02%)

your density is about 5-6 times higher, isnt it?
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Old December 12th, 2008, 09:28 AM   #2007
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Strange, the Netherlands has over 2000 kms of motorway but is only 41.000 km²
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Old December 12th, 2008, 11:11 AM   #2008
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Strange, the Netherlands has over 2000 kms of motorway but is only 41.000 km²
Well, then if you count 25 m as an average width of motorway over there (it may be 12 m wide carriageway in each direction?), the value should be 0,12 % ... CZ has 0,032 % of paved motorway surface compared to the land area...
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Old December 12th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #2009
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What are main historical reasons for such a high population density in this particular area (Netherlands)?
A comparatively advanced level of agriculture during the middle ages onwards led to the development of lots of medium and smaller sized towns. In the twentieth century a lot of these places were earmarked as 'growth towns' in order to spin off undesirable metropolitan development of the bigger cities onto more rural areas. These days there are very little truly rural spaces in the Randstad or the whole of the Netherlands bar the more remote parts.
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Old December 12th, 2008, 03:52 PM   #2010
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Zoetermeer, Almere and Purmerend are good examples of these sattellite towns.

The main problems today in the Netherlands:

1) Every self-respecting municipality has new neighborhoodconstruction. Hence, increased travel from surrounding towns and villages to the main city. Crowded roads.

2) Central cities are not build for automotive travel, and adding new capacity is difficult due to resistance and limited space. Hence, building new neighborhoods on the edges of the jobcenters is also undesired due to the fact they outgrow their road/street network without much possibilities to increase this to handle the growth. My own city, Zwolle, is a good example of that. No new roads were constructed since the 70's, while the population growed from 60.000 to 115.000
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Thanks for answers.
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Old December 12th, 2008, 04:23 PM   #2012
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From late January 2009 on, commuters to Amsterdam have to take extra delays into account, because on the A1 motorway, the Muiderbridge will be replaced by a cable-stayed bridge because the current bridge is over 30 years old and carries more traffic (200.000 vehicles/day) than it is designed for.
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Old December 12th, 2008, 06:11 PM   #2013
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I just heard on the radio, but people that drive there daily can get a "mobility pass" to travel with the public transport
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I know, they do that kind of projects more often.

Problems:

People already using PT get extra discount unfairly.

The amount of people using PT instead of a car is very low. They've added extra parking spaces at Lage Zwaluwe station on the A16 motorway. Result: 12 extra passengers per day. (of over 120.000 people using the A16 daily). Effect: 0,0001% fewer cars on the road.

My opinion about those mobilty/PT passes: Nice PR-talk, but doesn't really makes a difference on the road.

They only publish the amount of passes requested, but it remains a mystery if they are actually used daily by commuters or just for the occasional traveller.
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Old December 12th, 2008, 06:20 PM   #2015
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How long will it take before this new bridge is finished? www.nu.nl doesn't yet say anything about it
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Old December 12th, 2008, 06:22 PM   #2016
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Nu.nl is not your only source of media, I hope...

http://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/themas...persberichten/
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Old December 12th, 2008, 06:26 PM   #2017
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Ah well, but it's the one that I often use, and most news is published very very quickly, so that's why I use it.
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Old December 12th, 2008, 10:08 PM   #2018
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Quite a number of lanes here!
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Old December 14th, 2008, 02:41 AM   #2019
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I found a Bundesautobahnfourish exit ramp on the A27. I didn't know we still had these in the Netherlands.
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What do you mean by BABfourish?
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