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Old January 21st, 2009, 09:29 AM   #2161
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get a good massage easy-chair, and that 50 years will elapse quite fast...

btw: nice new avatar... but what does it represent?

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Old January 21st, 2009, 11:09 AM   #2162
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Old January 21st, 2009, 03:14 PM   #2163
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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:31 PM   #2164
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Deventer Tour

A tour of Deventer, the 3rd largest city in Overijssel (after Enschede and Zwolle).

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Old January 21st, 2009, 09:46 PM   #2165
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N337 IJssel river dike: Deventer - Zwolle

A drive across the IJssel river dike from Deventer to Zwolle (25km)

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Old January 21st, 2009, 10:25 PM   #2166
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What is the average speed of most cars on such road in NL?
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Old January 21st, 2009, 10:26 PM   #2167
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The speed limit is 80 km/h. However, It differs, I drove on the N35 highway before which also has an 80 speed limit, but I barely got above 70 - 75 because of slowpokes. This road is better, I could mostly drive between 80 and 90.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 10:17 AM   #2168
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Due to the realisation of the A37, the economical crisis there are now plans to make a motorway from the A37 to Cloppenburg

I bet Chris has numbers or he knows where to find it

The artical in Dutch...........

Via E233 sneller naar Bremen
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Via E233 sneller naar Bremen
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Duitsland wil versneld met de verdubbeling van de E233 tussen Meppen en Cloppenburg beginnen. Er is deze week overeenstemming bereikt over de voorbereidingskosten van 6 miljoen euro. Nederland betaalt hieraan mee. De weg zou in 2012 klaar kunnen zijn.



De Duitsers werken aan infrastructurele maatregelen die de economie in Noord-Duitsland de komende jaren fors moet stimuleren. De verdubbeling van de E233 vanaf Meppen, het laatste stuk van de A37 tussen Hoogeveen en Cloppenburg, is daar onderdeel van.

Sinds de oplevering van het Nederlandse deel van de snelweg tussen Zwolle en Meppen, begin vorig jaar, is al een forse toename van het vrachtverkeer op deze route tussen de Randstad en Duitsland zichtbaar. Verwacht wordt dat deze groei versnelt als de Duitse snelweg richting Bremen helemaal klaar is.

Juist de Duitse overheid leek de verdubbeling van het laatste stuk van de A37 tussen Meppen en Cloppenburg te vertragen. Binnen het bedrijfsleven werden daarom al plannen ontwikkeld de weg met private middelen voor te financieren.

Volgens Hermann Wessels, hoofd van het grensoverschrijdende samenwerkingsverband Interreg in de Eems Dollard Regio, wordt de private voorfinanciering nog wel onderzocht bij de voorbereiding van de definitieve plannen voor de A37, maar wordt ook nadrukkelijk naar 'ouderwetse financiering' door alleen de overheid gekeken. "Als we de planning en het onderzoek zo snel kunnen realiseren, zou gezegd kunnen worden dat de overheid de financiële middelen versneld beschikbaar stelt", aldus Wessels.

De Duitse overheid overweegt de verdubbeling volgens Wessels mee te nemen in het conjunctuurpakket waarmee de kredietcrisis bestreden moet worden. De Duitsers willen daarvoor ook overeenstemming bereiken met Den Haag. Er staan op korte termijn gesprekken gepland. "De stedenkring Zwolle-Emsland en de gemeenten Emmen en Coevorden zijn bereid een financiële bijdrage te leveren", zegt Wessels.

Wie betaalt er mee?

De voorbereidingskosten voor de verdubbeling van de E233 tussen Meppen en Cloppenburg worden op zes miljoen euro geraamd. Drie miljoen daarvan wordt betaald met Europese subsidies. De Nederlandse staat en de deelstaat Nedersaksen willen 900.000 euro ter beschikking stellen. De Landkreisen Emsland en Cloppenburg en de Stedenband Zwolle-Emsland betalen 400.000 euro. De industrie- en handelskamers van Oldenburg en Osnabrück-Emsland betalen elk 75.000 euro.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 10:19 AM   #2169
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Dutch, Duits or German?
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 10:21 AM   #2170
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Would be great to drive in 1.5 hours to Bremen My record so far is 2 hours via that route, but on a sunday, so no truck traffic. Otherwise it takes longer.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 10:40 AM   #2171
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i was wondering what the effect on the amount of traffic was, now the A37 is motorway all the way to the border.... The article says something about 'een forse toename van het vrachtverkeer ' meaning a significant rise in truck traffic.

When i read something like that i wanna see numbers!!
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 11:58 AM   #2172
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I wonder what effect this is going to have on traffic levels on the N33 in Drenthe and Groningen.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 06:49 PM   #2173
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 07:48 PM   #2174
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Wow, 718 km of jams......how long's the motorway network again?
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 08:09 PM   #2175
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2400km

Note, the above map is only of the Randstad conurbation. There were more traffic jams (most likely around 1000 kilometers).
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 08:19 PM   #2176
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The pic also shows jams on non-motorways, please note that
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 11:50 AM   #2177
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Yeah but it's not like the N roads make up the majority of clogged routes, as you can see on the map. So it's still an outrageous disgrace how many jams there are
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 11:52 AM   #2178
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During busy rushhours 20 - 25% of the total freeway carriageway mileage becomes congested. (2500 km freeway * 2 directions = 5000 km and there are often 1000 - 1200 kilometers of traffic jams).

To compare this with the United States; that would mean 50.000 kilometers of traffic jam. Or to Germany; 10.000 kilometers of traffic jam.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 03:00 PM   #2180
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Congestion on dutch terms doesn't neccessarily mean a typical stau, or stationary traffic, right? What's the rule for naming slow traffic a congestion on a motorway - 50 km/h average speed? How many of those jams is frozen, stationary traffic?
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