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Old January 24th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #2201
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I've seen newer junctions constructed this way.

For instance the new N36 south end on the A35 motorway near Almelo.
Hm, I see... Somehow, the N36 looks like to be extended westbound to me, then it would make sense But you have a point, another stupid one
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Old January 24th, 2009, 01:31 AM   #2202
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Almere:
[IMG]http://i40.************/2ptzeo4.jpg[/IMG]

Apeldoorn:
[IMG]http://i43.************/dr36a0.jpg[/IMG]

Epe:
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Deventer:
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Oldenzaal:
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De Lutte:
[IMG]http://i44.************/2ecnteb.jpg[/IMG]

Middenmeer:
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Old January 24th, 2009, 01:43 AM   #2203
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many, many pics
Proved

Anyway, I still like the way how Dutch motorways look like, green good looking interchanges, very good pavement etc etc... The only bad thing overthere (that I see) is that there are too many cars and esp. trucks driving on them Agreed?
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Old January 24th, 2009, 11:20 AM   #2204
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Yeah, that's true. The pavement is nearly always excellent. Sometimes I think that they can't find a way for real investment (widenings) so that they spend the money on the most expensive type of pavement they can find (porous asphalt concrete).
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Old January 24th, 2009, 11:35 AM   #2205
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nonsense half cloverleaf ICs...
It is sure they planned to continue those motorway crossing roads...

otherwise they would have been built trumpets, wouldnt they?
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Old January 24th, 2009, 11:38 AM   #2206
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It is sure they planned to continue the motorway crossing roads...

otherwise they would have been built trumpets, wouldnt they?
No, that's the whole point...

Like I said, motorway junctions with non-motorways are not supposed to have full interchanges like trumpets or cloverleafs. There are a few exceptions though.

They do that on purpose to "make the distinction between the mainline roads and the secondary roads more clear".
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Old January 24th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #2207
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well, thats really stupid...

we have our own stupid rule:
C/D lanes have to be built independently from AADT...

so we even build expensive C/D lanes in cloverleaves and between ICs closer than 1km when the traffic volume is lower than 5.000
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Old January 24th, 2009, 12:22 PM   #2208
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Another new stupid thing;

With a collector/express setup, like the reconstructed bypasses of Den Bosch and Eindhoven, the collector lane is not considered part of the motorway, and therefore gets a N-number. Hence, you have a A and N road with the same number running immediatly adjacent to eachother
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Old January 24th, 2009, 12:40 PM   #2209
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Really? How stupid.

By the way, is that sharp curve near Almelo gone since the A35 ends at Wierden now, and not at Almelo?
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Old January 24th, 2009, 01:13 PM   #2210
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Yeah, that's a normal diamond exit now.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 01:15 PM   #2211
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Finally, didn't several people die in that corner?
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Old January 24th, 2009, 05:18 PM   #2212
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It is sure they planned to continue those motorway crossing roads...

otherwise they would have been built trumpets, wouldnt they?
As for junction schiphol: I thought it actually was a trumpet, but they rebuild it into this thing... But for the other shown examples I think there were/are plans to connect the other end to other (local) roads.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 06:02 PM   #2213
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If you want to see more of Dutch idiocy of traffic calming, check this out;

It goes as follows, it used to be a 50 km/h 1+1 lane road.
Then they lowered the speed limit to 30 km/h.
Then they remove one lane artificially
Then they put a bus stop at that only lane that's left.
So if the bus stops, the entire street is blocked


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Old January 24th, 2009, 06:15 PM   #2214
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Yeah, that's sick. The lack of a real busstop (with full passing possibilities) when there's plenty of room is one thing, but this...
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Old January 24th, 2009, 06:15 PM   #2215
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Do you have pics of that? I've never seen that in this country. I can't believe that they do that
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Old January 24th, 2009, 07:03 PM   #2216
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Traffic calming my ass. Let's make the cars block the street and waste gas instead of free-flow. I also hate those "wedges" that block one lane alternately on tight neighbourhood streets and make you slalom through the road instead of driving straight. There's plenty of that crap in German suburbs.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 03:05 PM   #2217
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I took two pictures today;

(sunday traffic).

location <- Google Maps is outdated a bit here.

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Old January 25th, 2009, 03:14 PM   #2218
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I took this picture on the only outbound road in Stadshagen-Zuid, home to 10,000 inhabitants. If the bus stops here, the whole road is blocked when people commute to work.
[img]http://i29.************/rr1nhd.jpg[/img]
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Old January 25th, 2009, 03:22 PM   #2219
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I believe this bus stop in the middle of the street is very important to Zwolle's transportation and prosperity. Just look at those masses of passengers.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 08:25 PM   #2220
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It's the same in Hoofddorp. On one of the bussiest roads in the middle of the city there are only 2 lanes (1+1 road).
But there are 2 busstops. So on a bussy saturday or sunday there are a lot of traffic jams in the city.
There's also one in the city center, but when it's bussy and the bus stops, it doesn't care, you have to wait anyway.
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