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Old January 31st, 2009, 03:43 PM   #2261
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Dutch Midwest Drive

I thought Midwest is a good nickname for the Flevoland plains.

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Old January 31st, 2009, 05:35 PM   #2262
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wonderful rural driving!
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Old January 31st, 2009, 06:34 PM   #2263
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All man-made land (polders). Flevoland is very boring and not very charming, but this looks quite cool
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Old January 31st, 2009, 07:52 PM   #2264
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How is the intersection problem going to be solved on the new A2? Reconstruction of all junctions? It would be somewhat difficult to accomodate 4 more lanes to the existing ones.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 07:55 PM   #2265
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The best possibility is to park your car at the Area stadium, which will cost you 5,50 Euro's /24 Hr, including 2 returntickets to the centre by subway.

And it is even quicker than entering the city by car.
No, that's already € 6,50.

But why bother going to Amsterdam anyway ?
That city has nearly nothing to offer what a real Dutch city can offer.
Except from abundance of crime, perhaps.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 07:55 PM   #2266
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I don't know exactly about Oudenrijn, but Holendrecht isn't much of a problem AFAIK. The 2×5 ends there. Over here you can see that there is enough space west of the current motorway to build a new lane. However, this is just a guess, so I don't know exactly they're going to solve it.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 08:04 PM   #2267
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How is the intersection problem going to be solved on the new A2? Reconstruction of all junctions? It would be somewhat difficult to accomodate 4 more lanes to the existing ones.
Oudenrijn and Holendrecht interchange will not be changed, Oudenrijn has been designed for the A2-widening during the early-90-ies reconstruction.
Maarssen junction had been build for this widening already in 1981.
The other junctions (3 Abcoude, 4 Vinkeveen, 5 Breukelen, 7 Utrecht-west and 8 Utrecht-centrum) are being rebuild completely.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 12:35 PM   #2268
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But why bother going to Amsterdam anyway ?
That city has nearly nothing to offer what a real Dutch city can offer.
Except from abundance of crime, perhaps.

Cause Amsterdam is unique in the world and a lot of people do like to look further then around the corner??

The crime level is relatively low in Amsterdam.

Try to do a search on 'Amsterdam' here on the forum and you will know why..
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Old February 1st, 2009, 12:41 PM   #2269
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Yeah, but if you go shopping, Amsterdam is not really more unique than other cities nearby like Haarlem or Utrecht.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 01:05 PM   #2270
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However, if you go for some sightseeing, Amsterdam has definately more to offer
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Old February 1st, 2009, 04:16 PM   #2271
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2 kilometers of the N7 highway opened today near Groningen. It's a motorway-like road, except it lacks shoulders, because hey, if you spend 100 million for 2km of motorway, a couple of bucks for a shoulder is too much ofcourse.

Anyway, to good Dutch habits, it took 17 years to plan and construct these 2000 meters of asphalt.

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Old February 1st, 2009, 04:29 PM   #2272
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This Dutch construction and planning mania really has to stop.. I mean i still can't believe that they're taking so ridiculously long to construct the A4 section between Delft and Schiedam.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 04:49 PM   #2273
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Congratulations Netherlands
100 million for 2 km? Are you serious? It's not even in urbanized area! Well, unless the lots were so expensive to buy out.

BTW, there is some shoulder actually. The kind of shoulder Polish S-roads have.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 07:20 PM   #2274
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All man-made land (polders). Flevoland is very boring and not very charming, but this looks quite cool
'Midwest' is a very apt name for it - if not for the signs and the gentle curves in the road, that drive could have been shot literally ANYWHERE in central Iowa, central Illinois or central or northern Indiana.

Is that land all below sea level? Interesting.

I find driving in such places to be truly fascinating.

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Old February 1st, 2009, 07:24 PM   #2275
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I find driving in such places to be truly fascinating.
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So your next holiday destination is my country?
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Old February 1st, 2009, 07:35 PM   #2276
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4 jeeps to drive in blocks? We just use 2 police bikes for that over here... Those signs on the back are nice though

What was causing the huge problems for the N7? Was there something of ecological value that had to be preserved or so?

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Old February 1st, 2009, 08:37 PM   #2277
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Nimby's, I guess. Most useful and jam-reducing project are nimbied out over here (A6-A9 connection, for example), so that's why it all takes this long

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'Midwest' is a very apt name for it - if not for the signs and the gentle curves in the road, that drive could have been shot literally ANYWHERE in central Iowa, central Illinois or central or northern Indiana.

Is that land all below sea level? Interesting.

I find driving in such places to be truly fascinating.

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Yeah, all below sea level

The altitude that I live at is -4, actually
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2 kilometers of the N7 highway opened today near Groningen. It's a motorway-like road, except it lacks shoulders, because hey, if you spend 100 million for 2km of motorway, a couple of bucks for a shoulder is too much ofcourse.

Anyway, to good Dutch habits, it took 17 years to plan and construct these 2000 meters of asphalt.
I thought it was only us Brits that had to tolerate long drawn out schemes that cost a fortune and have absurd 'cost cutting' measures (eg flyovers and space for a diamond junction or something similar but instead short link roads with roundabouts on the major road to link the two together.) when they are finally built (the Welsh and Scottish are getting better since Devolution).

That would have made my day, but it's already been made. Have you got worse examples to tell me on days when I need a bit of a cheer up!
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Old February 1st, 2009, 09:09 PM   #2279
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Well, the worst example would be A4 Delft - Schiedam. Some 50 years of debating about 7 kms motorway and still no decision has been made yet...
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Old February 1st, 2009, 09:11 PM   #2280
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That would have made my day, but it's already been made. Have you got worse examples to tell me on days when I need a bit of a cheer up!
This is just an N-road in the North of The Netherlands. Now imagine the most extreme much needed A4-North between Rotterdam and The Hague-Amsterdam. All the land necessary to builf this road has been purchased 40 years ago.

The debate about this road is going on for just over 50 years, with the only highway between Rotterdam and The Hague/Amsterdam daily backed-up for 13 km or so (the full length of it).

Latest plans for this last missing link in the Northern A4 (I will not even start with the missing southern part which should be connecting the two largest ports of Europe, Rotterdam and Antwerpen), which is only 6500 meters long (4 Miles), to be build for almost 700 Million Euro's. It looks that this time we will succeed in building this road, which than will be opened after 60 years of debating. So we are going to get a speedy and extremely cheap bargin here!
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