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Old March 24th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #2561
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...Since this area is completely flat, a 15m viaduct would make quite an impact on the horizon. That's not necessarily a bad thing though...
I think it would be a good thing.... cause there would be something notable on the horizon...

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Old March 24th, 2009, 03:47 PM   #2562
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The locals won't agree with you, they would call it "horizonvervuiling" (horizon pollution)
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:25 PM   #2563
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I think it would be a goog thing.... cause there would be something notable on the horizon...
No good. The area to the West of the proposed tunnel depends almost entirely on tourism for its income. Horizon pollution by building an oversized bridge in an otherwise agricultural area would be like shooting yourself in the foot.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:57 PM   #2564
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The locals won't agree with you, they would call it "horizonvervuiling" (horizon pollution)
OMG horizon pollution... Don't say it loud, or some guys will hear it and introduce it to the Great Plain here in Hungary They will block ewerything higher than a shadoof (gémeskút)
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Old March 24th, 2009, 05:14 PM   #2565
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reminds me of a graffiti: zureich
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Old March 24th, 2009, 05:21 PM   #2566
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No good. The area to the West of the proposed tunnel depends almost entirely on tourism for its income. Horizon pollution by building an oversized bridge in an otherwise agricultural area would be like shooting yourself in the foot.
Its better than in the head...

oversized bridge...

in this case what would you say to the akashi kaikyo? (pilon high: 300m)
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:10 PM   #2567
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About the N62: instead of a tunnel they also could have build an extra movable bridge (normal height), just like they did on the local road a couple of kms north. When there's a ship coming always one bridge can remain closed.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 06:57 AM   #2568
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I like horizon "pollution".
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Old March 25th, 2009, 07:49 AM   #2569
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The problem now is that the bridge is open too long. We are talking about 20 minutes each hour. A bridge that would always be higher than the ships passing it, would have to be huge, far higher than the 15m stated. A tunnel is far more cost-efficient on this place than a bridge.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 04:29 PM   #2570
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About the N62: instead of a tunnel they also could have build an extra movable bridge (normal height), just like they did on the local road a couple of kms north. When there's a ship coming always one bridge can remain closed.
That would require a whole new set of roads which means claiming farm land and more. The whole thing would cost a fortune.

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The problem now is that the bridge is open too long. We are talking about 20 minutes each hour. A bridge that would always be higher than the ships passing it, would have to be huge, far higher than the 15m stated. A tunnel is far more cost-efficient on this place than a bridge.
Thank you, yes.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 07:49 PM   #2571
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The problem now is that the bridge is open too long. We are talking about 20 minutes each hour.
The opening times can be found on that road (N61), when entering that brigde:

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Old March 27th, 2009, 03:17 PM   #2572
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Old March 27th, 2009, 04:03 PM   #2573
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60 lol that's making the case for NS
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Old March 27th, 2009, 06:11 PM   #2574
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I don't know where it's heading, but someone is seriously ****ed up...
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And Dutch policy makers wonder why so many people are violating the speed limit
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Old March 27th, 2009, 06:20 PM   #2576
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Do they also violate overtaking ban?

It only distorts judging wat is dangerous and what is not and will lead to simply ignoring any limits.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 06:22 PM   #2577
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40 kms ? No shit.

How about tractors?

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Old March 27th, 2009, 06:22 PM   #2578
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Yes, frequently. Overtaking is banned on nearly all reconstructed/remarked roads. On some roads, it's impossible to overtake for over 40 kilometers in a row.

Man, if you make a list of it, you'll see how ****ed-up our road network is...
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Old March 27th, 2009, 08:24 PM   #2579
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Typical Dutch;

1) Copy a system from our eastern neighbours
2) Make it worse

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Mein Gott...
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Old March 27th, 2009, 08:34 PM   #2580
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How do I get to know which Umleitung is which?
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