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Old March 29th, 2009, 03:58 PM   #2601
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That is near Maarssen, btw. Traffic moved to the new side some time ago. It seems like they reconstructed the old side already
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Old March 29th, 2009, 05:56 PM   #2602
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You always say Dutch motorways have no decent alternative roads, therefore I always thought other roads were local and narrow, you know, almost like Africa. j/k But I guess you meant they aren't wide, with a high speed limit... Still, they look ok to me... at least pavement is usually excellent.
Local roads mostly don't have quality problems, but capacity problems. Even lots of local roads aren't having enough capacity to handle normal traffic. Incidents always have dramatic results: 10% of extra traffic can already mean 100% of extra congestion.

Let's take the worst case scenario: due to a (fictional) big accident the A13 between Delft and Rotterdam is closed in both directions, on a mondaymorning at 8:00 am.

Alternatives?

- At the local polder roads are blockers, which won't allow more than a few hundred vehicles per hour
- Via Westland region? Already overcrowded
- N470/N471? Can't handle the traffic neither since there's only one lane per direction
- A12/N209? Even worse since there's a very busy railway intersection near the A12
- A12/N219/A20? Same as above. Note that the A12 also only has 2 lanes per direction (so it won't handle the traffic either)
- A12/N456/A20? Same problems (also a railway intersection). But since there are no direct ramps to get on the A20 you don't have much of a choise here
- for longer-distance traffic: taking other motorways like A2/A27/A15. But those are overcrowded too

So how will you keep those extra >150.000 vehicles moving? Answer: you don't. The randstad will be grid-locked and jams will appear in about half the country.

I hope you'll get the point, here. The flexibilty of our road system is close to zero...

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Old March 29th, 2009, 05:59 PM   #2603
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That's why the A4 Midden-Delfland is so desperately needed. In case of a big jam or a motorway closure they recently installed those U-routes, but in case of the A13 closure they will be completely congested
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Old March 29th, 2009, 06:01 PM   #2604
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A2 is gonna be wiiiide:
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7 matrix signs...
That looks awesome.

Already saw the pics of the new Eindhoven randweg? I'll post them here.
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Old March 29th, 2009, 06:06 PM   #2605
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Ff wat plaatjes gevonden via ED:

1. Impressie de Hogt


en de volgende foto's zijn van deze site:

2. KP Leenderheide en Skyline


3. KP De Hogt


4. Batadorp


5. Nogmaals KP de Hogt


6. KP de Hogt en aansluiting High Tech Campus


7. KP Leenderheide


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Rum-cola makes you slow, Chris
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Old March 29th, 2009, 07:56 PM   #2609
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Oh, I'm sorry. Next time I'll look some pages back before I post something like this
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Old March 29th, 2009, 10:05 PM   #2610
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Local roads mostly don't have quality problems, but capacity problems. Even lots of local roads aren't having enough capacity to handle normal traffic. Incidents always have dramatic results: 10% of extra traffic can already mean 100% of extra congestion.

Let's take the worst case scenario: due to a (fictional) big accident the A13 between Delft and Rotterdam is closed in both directions, on a mondaymorning at 8:00 am.

Alternatives?

- At the local polder roads are blockers, which won't allow more than a few hundred vehicles per hour
- Via Westland region? Already overcrowded
- N470/N471? Can't handle the traffic neither since there's only one lane per direction
- A12/N209? Even worse since there's a very busy railway intersection near the A12
- A12/N219/A20? Same as above. Note that the A12 also only has 2 lanes per direction (so it won't handle the traffic either)
- A12/N456/A20? Same problems (also a railway intersection). But since there are no direct ramps to get on the A20 you don't have much of a choise here
- for longer-distance traffic: taking other motorways like A2/A27/A15. But those are overcrowded too

So how will you keep those extra >150.000 vehicles moving? Answer: you don't. The randstad will be grid-locked and jams will appear in about half the country.

I hope you'll get the point, here. The flexibilty of our road system is close to zero...
I'm sure our ordinary roads are even worse (at least as far as pavement is concerned), but at least we don't have so much traffic.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 04:34 AM   #2611
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A few pics of the A2 widening between Utrecht and Den Bosch:

Looking north towards JC Everdingen. Northbound traffic is already moved to the right. Traffic on the left is still using the old carriageway.


Same location but looking south:




Further south, near Culemborg:


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Old March 30th, 2009, 08:29 AM   #2612
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Yes certainly, the Dutch tend to complain a lot, it's in their nature I guess.
You cant beat a hungarian in whining...
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A few pics of the A2 widening between Utrecht and Den Bosch:
quite an enormous job...
(and impressive - large span - gantries... )
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Old March 30th, 2009, 09:43 AM   #2614
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At the moment the A2 from Amsterdam to Eindhoven is seeing reconstruction and widening. But how about further south? I thought that there were some plans for that as well, like a tunnel under Maastricht.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 11:25 AM   #2615
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There is an Afghanistan-summit tomorrow in The Hague. They advise not to travel during rushhour in the Randstad because left lanes will be closed for diplomatic convoys from the airports.
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Where signage and skyscrapers come together...
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Old March 30th, 2009, 09:49 PM   #2617
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Here's a movie that shows how the Dutch drive once they are in Germany

--> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/4548..._autobahn.html
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Old March 30th, 2009, 09:54 PM   #2618
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Reminds me of Gumball
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Old March 30th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #2619
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The "3" in M3 is probably the level of his IQ.

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