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Old April 15th, 2009, 05:41 PM   #2701
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This plan would solve many problems, but it's indeed a bit excessive

Still, as Chris said, with our new minister we're at least moving forward, instead of doing nothing.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 11:32 AM   #2702
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You know what we should do: think outside the box where the A3 situation is concerned.

People are very protective of the environment in this country, to a point where it's borderline extreme. Since they have the law at their side, you should meet them halfway.
  1. Declare a 'Green Heart' - its borders are a new highway; the Randstad Inner Ring. Everywhere inside that highway is off-limits for ugly stuff such as industrial areas. We stimulate the activities of green and cultural activity within this ring (such as tulip bulb fields, museum windmill parks etc.)
  2. Within the new Green Heart - you don't build highways, but expressway boulevards. A sort of green alternative. They can be 2x2 without emergency lanes and without barriers. The two halves would be far apart (brede middenberm) and there would be trees lining them etc. You could even use green asphalt and ban trucks or something.
  3. Outside the Green Heart - you start construction traditional highways like there's no tomorrow. The A4 MD and the A4 Zuid, new connections around Utrecht and between Rotterdam-Utrecht and Breda. Go mental, and make them wide.

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Red & dark red - the new Randstad Inner Ring (the whole area on the inside of it is the new Green Heart).
Green - the new expressway boulevards (2x2, scenic routes).
Orange - new highways (the traditional kind).



That's my solution

What's also important is that towns within the Green Heart (Gouda, Alphen a/d Rijn) stop expanding. Green is green. I think it would be the only way to really convince the environmentalists.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 11:45 AM   #2703
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Within the new Green Heart - you don't build highways, but expressway boulevards.
made of green (colour) tarmac...

EDIT: oops, you wrote it... :-)

IMO this is not a good idea:
2x2 is too much for local traffic, but for transit traffic a "traditional" motorway is better... (which can be lined by trees or forest strips also...)

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Old April 16th, 2009, 12:24 PM   #2704
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made of green (colour) tarmac...

EDIT: oops, you wrote it... :-)

IMO this is not a good idea:
2x2 is too much for local traffic, but for transit traffic a "traditional" motorway is better... (which can be lined by trees or forest strips also...)
No environmentalist will go for that.

And we don't have forests in the West of Holland. That's the point: it's flat and it's empty. If some city council 50 kilometers down the road decides to construct an industrial area: it's gonna be in my view.
This 'empty' landscape is considered part of our culture so people wouldn't like it if you just put up a lot of forests to cover up motorways. That's why the government has introduced the concept of a "motorway panorama" (the view from the motorway). They should meet certain criteria to give visitors a positive impression of our country.

The green expressways would be for both local and transit traffic (shortest link between Amsterdam and Rotterdam, and Utrecht and The Hague) but would not be accessible for trucks and other heavy traffic. There's a whole truckload of varieties in there. You could also simply place toll booths there. Keep the motorways free of toll, but charge people to use the expressways. It's not difficult. You just have to think outside the box (which we don't do nearly enough in this country).
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Old April 16th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #2705
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Building all those new motorways won't make much sense. You don't have to build new motorways for incidents, our network is already very dense to satify that. If the current alternatives wouldn't be already filled with traffic, the total amount of jams wouldn't be as ridiculous long as it is now. Traffic-wise, it doesn't matter where you give traffic extra space. Widen existing roads will barely hurt the environment though, new motorways do...

But yeah, since we're about 30 years behind scedule there is a LOT of work to do.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 09:13 PM   #2706
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Old April 16th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #2707
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Yeah, our crash barriers are really rusty
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Old April 18th, 2009, 02:36 PM   #2708
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Damn, it took me about 4 hours yesterday to get home (170 kms). Left at around 16:50, came home around 20:40...
ALL roads in Rotterdam seemed to be gridlocked. It was like 5 minutes of waiting, then getting 3-4 cars further...
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Short movie about the new A5 en 'second Coentunnel' (A10)

http://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/projec...deo/index.aspx
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Old April 19th, 2009, 03:57 PM   #2710
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Today I saw some new signage on the A7 north of Purmerend. They also repaved the southbound lane recently, it looks pretty good now
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Old April 19th, 2009, 03:59 PM   #2711
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That signage has been around since mid-December 2008
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I hadn't been there for a long time, so I didn't know that
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Today a truck toppled over on the A13/A20 interchange. It gave quite some problems, since the A13 is a vital motorway connection in the Netherlands.

For a short video (in Dutch) about the accident, look over here: http://www.nuvideo.nl/algemeen/25953...akt-chaos.html
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Old April 21st, 2009, 06:49 PM   #2714
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Could there BE more traffic jams around Utrecht/Amersfoort?
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 10:42 AM   #2716
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Let's give it a shot, everybody to their cars!
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Tomorrow the N209 at Bleiswijk will be blocked for 4 days, they're predicting a chaos in the Zoetermeer/Rotterdam region...
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From a distance I spotted some new style signage on the A2 near exit Vinkeveen. I hope to pass by there soon by car so that I can confirm this.
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is it a moped car?
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