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Old May 5th, 2009, 02:57 PM   #2761
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Oh. My. God.

Maximum speed? I like the barriers, they imply you'll be going somewhere fast. Not likely.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #2762
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The Vmax is 100 km/h there.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 03:37 PM   #2763
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IMO, some 2x2 expressway without shoulders would make much more sense than this and it would cost the same amount of money. How you are supposed to overtake some slow vehicle there?
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Old May 5th, 2009, 03:48 PM   #2764
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You can't. Another problem is many people don't understand that this sign also means 100 km/h, even when "100" is painted on the road surface.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 04:19 PM   #2765
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It seems like there is plenty of space for 2Χ2. This looks ridiculous
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Old May 5th, 2009, 06:41 PM   #2766
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Stupid. There's almost enough space for 2x2 without shoulder
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Old May 5th, 2009, 09:32 PM   #2767
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A10 Ring Amsterdam

I made a video of the entire 33 km ringroad of Amsterdam. For convenience, you can choose the 5 minute 4x speed video with text, or the 10 minute 2x speed video without any texts. I recommend to watch them in High Quality.

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Old May 6th, 2009, 05:03 PM   #2768
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Going back to these no overtaking roads - are these acces limited ones, or tractors are allowed there? Also is breaking this rule very common or just happens from time to time?
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Old May 6th, 2009, 05:40 PM   #2769
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Stupid. There's almost enough space for 2x2 without shoulder
There's plenty of space on these roads, but you know dutch politics: never build roads too wide unless it is fully jammed.

According to dutch policy all autowegen in the future have to have a vast shoulder in the middle of the road, also the 2-lane ones...
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Old May 6th, 2009, 05:50 PM   #2770
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You can't. Another problem is many people don't understand that this sign also means 100 km/h, even when "100" is painted on the road surface.
Sometimes I really would love to have a sign "100km/h, please" in my car.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #2771
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Check out what you can be fined for in the Netherlands on your bicycle.

Not locking bicycle € 25
pedals not properly fitted € 50
Bicycle bell not properly working € 20
Insufficient brakes € 30
Insufficient steering € 50
Frame insufficient € 30
No reflectors on pedals € 20
No reflectors on wheels € 20
Wrong parking € 20
overtaking at a zebra crossing € 80
overtaking on the right € 50
No walking pace on a woonerf € 30
Changing directiongs without giving directions with your arm € 20

I wonder how often these kind of fines are actually given though.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 09:05 PM   #2772
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no bell, no reflectors at all, wrong(?) parking, overtaking zebra + right, changing direction without giving directions = € 230 Nice

Why can't you leave your bike unlocked?
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Old May 6th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #2773
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Let me see, that would cost me about 150 euros.

I miss the fine for a not working light though, or the fine for driving with three people next to each other (2 is the max. allowed). In winter time some dickhead on his motorbike always drives between Abcoude and Loenersloot to fine some innocent poor students

The police once warned me for doing 45 km/h (I was in a hurry) within the city limits, where the speed limit is 30. They didn't fine me though
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Old May 6th, 2009, 09:12 PM   #2774
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Hello My Dutch Friends!

Would you be kind enough to point me in the right direction regarding the reasons behind your recent move to change your motorway signage. The old Dutch motorway signage is very good while the new signs seem much smaller, the font has changed a little and some of the symbols (e.g. exit sign, arrows) have changed and became smaller.

What is the philosophy behind these changes?
Where can I read about it, ideally in English as my Dutch is rudimentary?

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The VNB (Vernieuwing Bewegwijzering) or renewal of road signage is now taking place throughout the Netherlands. It's a mix of German inspiration and Dutch style signage, and was initially meant to sign upcoming road situations better in advance, as the traditional Dutch signage was not really well with taper situations:

example: 1 arrow while there are two lanes. You don't know about this second lane unless you're already at the right lane at the interchange, so the second lane is not used as it should be, hereby reducing capacity.

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Arrows pointing up make a better graphical display of the road situation ahead, especially regarding interchanges with other motorways. Apparantly, they are gonna implement it on all the Dutch motorways, and broken/damaged/old signs are now gradually replaced by new signs.

The reactions from roadgeeks and hobbyists are a bit mixed as far as I know, the obvious similarities to the German signs are pointed out as being a bad rip-off, and the font is not really suitable for these fork-signs, causing a lot of breaks in placenames, making the signs harder to read and messy.

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Old May 6th, 2009, 09:34 PM   #2776
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Ah, now I see that - Arnhem and Schaarsbergen.

This reminds me of Microsoft Word's WordArt, where different lenghts of words mean a slightly different font style.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #2777
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The police once warned me for doing 45 km/h (I was in a hurry) within the city limits, where the speed limit is 30. They didn't fine me though
Downward slope?
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Old May 6th, 2009, 10:18 PM   #2778
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This part of the country is as flat as a pancake

No, I have seven speeds on my bike, so I can reach pretty high speeds, though I cannot maintain them for long.
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Check out what you can be fined for in the Netherlands on your bicycle.

Not locking bicycle € 25
pedals not properly fitted € 50
Bicycle bell not properly working € 20
Insufficient brakes € 30
Insufficient steering € 50
Frame insufficient € 30
No reflectors on pedals € 20
No reflectors on wheels € 20
Wrong parking € 20
overtaking at a zebra crossing € 80
overtaking on the right € 50
No walking pace on a woonerf € 30
Changing directiongs without giving directions with your arm € 20

I wonder how often these kind of fines are actually given though.
Except for the "not locking bicycle" you can be fined for such thing in many other countries too. For example from time to time Slovak police checks cyclists as well and they get quite some fines if their bike doesn't meet legal criteria.

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Downward slope?
It's possible to reach about 40 km/h on flat road even if you are not Lance Armstrong.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 11:14 PM   #2780
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Except for the "not locking bicycle" you can be fined for such thing in many other countries too. For example from time to time Slovak police checks cyclists as well and they get quite some fines if their bike doesn't meet legal criteria.
Mah, I find most of these fines perfect examples of the overregulation that exists today.
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