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Old May 9th, 2009, 11:27 PM   #2801
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Old May 9th, 2009, 11:27 PM   #2802
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Nice highways. I have been there in 2005, from Brussels to Amsterdam
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Old May 10th, 2009, 06:34 AM   #2803
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Extending the A-4 to Rotterdam would be the cheapest and easiest solution to addressing traffic between The Hague and Rotterdam. I don't think any highway should be wider than four lanes in each direction except when intersecting or merging with another major highway.

If after the A-4 extension the existing road network can't handle the traffic, then the government should expand passenger and freight rail service.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 10:13 AM   #2804
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It would cost sth like 700 million, not really cheap.....
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Old May 10th, 2009, 10:46 AM   #2805
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I don't think any highway should be wider than four lanes in each direction except when intersecting or merging with another major highway.
Sometimes it's just necessary, unless you want to scatter cities with parallel freeways? in those cases; better one big freeway than 3 adjacent ones, although it's technically better to have a multi-freeway network.

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It would cost sth like 700 million, not really cheap.....
Yeah, people keep talking about that. For a 7 km (4 mile) freeway through an already cleared path, it's a ridiculous amount of money. But when you put it in context with our national budget of 180 billion euros annually, it's only 1/257th. Actually, it's build in like three years, so it's really only 1/771th of our national budget, or when you stick to our road budget of 2.8 billion only; 1/12th of the annual budget.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 12:09 PM   #2806
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A crashtender crashed onto the A4 south of Schiphol this morning. 5 lanes closed
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Old May 13th, 2009, 03:40 PM   #2807
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^Just wanted to post a picture

Here's another picture from a newspaper: Hoofddorpse Courant;

[IMG]http://i39.************/2zokd1c.jpg[/IMG]
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Old May 13th, 2009, 03:44 PM   #2808
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Damn they changed the pic in my post, it was a way larger pic that was taken from an overpass or so.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 03:46 PM   #2809
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Here it is:
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Old May 13th, 2009, 03:57 PM   #2810
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^ Ohh, that's very sad, what happened ? Was he drunk or something ?
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Old May 13th, 2009, 04:49 PM   #2811
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^ Ohh, that's very sad, what happened ? Was he drunk or something ?
According to nu.nl;

A black Audi A6 with foreign plates changed lanes very suddenly, from A4 to A44 an hit the white van (on the left in my pic), and the Audi got spinned out of control, and the crashtender had to take evasive actions, got onto one side and flipped over.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 06:40 PM   #2812
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Result in km traffic jam, please...
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Old May 13th, 2009, 07:02 PM   #2813
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Yeah, the delay was reported to be over 2 hours.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 07:04 PM   #2814
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According to nu.nl;

A black Audi A6 with foreign plates changed lanes very suddenly, from A4 to A44 an hit the white van (on the left in my pic), and the Audi got spinned out of control, and the crashtender had to take evasive actions, got onto one side and flipped over.
Ohh, sorry then. I hope nobody is dead. Some people are just so crazy
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Old May 15th, 2009, 06:48 PM   #2815
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Lol, they better start naming the freeways that actually do move.
[IMG]http://i43.************/2dqshtx.png[/IMG]

995 kilometers of traffic jam @ 5.48 pm.
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Weather is quite bad at the moment. Lots of heavy rain and some thunder storms...
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Looks like everybody is in the traffic jam . On tv they called with the Dutch participant for the Eurovision, just landed and now in the traffic jam.
And on RTL Boulevard there was a Dutch singer, but he was also delayed because of the bad weather and the traffic jams

BTW, how come that there is 995km of traffic jam? I thought it was always special when there was about 600km of traffic jam.
And Wikipedia says that the most km of traffic jam was 975 in 1999. I don't get it"
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Old May 16th, 2009, 05:51 AM   #2818
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Looks like everybody is in the traffic jam . On tv they called with the Dutch participant for the Eurovision, just landed and now in the traffic jam.
And on RTL Boulevard there was a Dutch singer, but he was also delayed because of the bad weather and the traffic jams

BTW, how come that there is 995km of traffic jam? I thought it was always special when there was about 600km of traffic jam.
And Wikipedia says that the most km of traffic jam was 975 in 1999. I don't get it"
I think the km's of traffic posted by Chris come from TomTom Live, they measure traffic in a different way from traditional sources. TomTom has a contract with vodafone and can see when multiple of their clients slow down on a highway or even a local road and based on that intel they know if there's a traffic delay. Traditional sources use certain sensors in the road and count the traffic based on the number of cars a minute or the speed of cars at a certain stretch of road, everything under 30-50 km/h counts for a jam / slow moving traffic.

The TomTom system is much more accurate, but also counts delays on B-roads and therefor displays a higher total number of km's jammed.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #2819
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^Ok thanks. Thought so.
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Old May 17th, 2009, 09:10 PM   #2820
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From the Hungarian topic, I found it better to answer it here.

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Nice pix in Your personal gallery, grat

2 questions:

Why you use "Expressway" and "Priority road" signs together? We use only one of them at the same place because of their different meaning.

What does the green line means on the middle of some road?
1) you mean these two?




Well, the first one shows an "Autoweg", I'm not sure about the exact English term, but it's a kind of "motorroad" or "express road". It's not a motorway, and it's design can vary from a single carriageway without a central reservation, to a 2x2 road without shoulders. The speed limit is 100 km/h, and have a more significant value than other national or provincial roads.
The second one shows a priority road, which simply means you have priority over other traffic, this could be within city limits, as well as outside city limits.

2) The green center line is a new thing that has developed since the mid 1990's, and was mostly implemented in the 2000's. It shows that you are on an "Autoweg" (see 1) and the speed limit is 100 km/h. It also creates an artificial central reservation. I think this is the best concept from all the road marking changes that we have seen in the past 10 years. The others were mostly annoying ADHD marking (broken side lines) or endless overtaking prohibits on straight roads.
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