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Old May 17th, 2009, 10:30 PM   #2821
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1) you mean these two?


Well, the first one shows an "Autoweg", I'm not sure about the exact English term, but it's a kind of "motorroad" or "express road".
Maybe I can be of some assistance. I've already had to explain this to an American friend of mine who was visiting Holland a while ago.

"Autoweg" is usually translated as "semi-motorway" - it's the motorway's retarded cousin, if you will

Like Chris said, they have more significant value than other national or provincial roads.

In terms of importance:
  1. Motorway - 120kph. Minimum of 2x2, median with barrier, grade separated access, most commonly a hard shoulder.
  2. Semi-Motorway - 100kph. Range from 1x1 to 2x2, median without barrier (usually double stripe), grade separated access not mandatory, no shoulders.
  3. Provincial roads - 80kph. Range from 1x1 to 2x2, no median, no grade separation, no shoulders.

There are some exceptions throughout the country, sometimes the landscape or other factors allow for a slightly different interpretation of the standards.

Here are some helpful illustrations of the Autoweg, or semi-motorway:



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Old May 18th, 2009, 01:12 PM   #2822
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Old May 18th, 2009, 02:18 PM   #2823
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Maybe I can be of some assistance. I've already had to explain this to an American friend of mine who was visiting Holland a while ago.

"Autoweg" is usually translated as "semi-motorway" - it's the motorway's retarded cousin, if you will
In UK English, motorroad makes more sense and is intuitive - semi-motorway (in both US and UK English) would suggest to me a mostly grade-separated road, or one with rubbish junctions, or poor cross-section, or even things like the A2, where there's a motorway layout (4+4 with hard shoulders) but not motorway restrictions (though by fluke it might be a motorroad anyway). 'Motorway' regulations in America are different from state to state, and many states don't seem to ban slow vehicles, pedestrians and cyclists from freeways, especially in rural areas. They don't really have, or understand the term motorway, and have it synonymous with freeway/expressway (terms which vary from region to region). A motorroad is a road where you can only motor along - autoweg directly translates as motorway, but in European/Oceanic (Aus/NZ) English, that's a specific type of motorroad.

In the UK, motorway is a legal thing (though they do care a bit about standards of slip roads, alignment and cross section, given the legal changes needed). We do have some motor roads, where pedestrians, etc are banned (maybe not the full motorway restrictions, or over a short distance, or low spec, which keep them from being a motorway), but aren't motorways. We don't really have a special name for them - some are "special roads" which are legally defined differently - normally a right-of-way (England and Wales) is open to all, except those banned, whereas a special road (most of which are motorways) are not rights-of-way and are only open to those allowed on it.

Sorry about off-topic, but I'd say Chris is more accurate with 'motorroad', partially as it translates into the UK situation and fits with European English. The, now former, A6144(M) was an S2 (1+1) motorway - it also was totally and utterly motorway - nothing 'semi-' about it - speed limit was motorway's 70, not single-carriageway's 60 (dual carriageways are also 70, so most motorroads, being 2+2 aren't any slower.)

Perhaps we need a terminology thread for translation of concepts into English.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 02:41 PM   #2824
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The eastern tube of the Coentunnel (A10) has been closed for a few hours today, due to an accident. At the moment there is a jam on the A2 between Abcoude and Breukelen because a load fell off a truck.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 07:33 PM   #2825
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Perhaps we need a terminology thread for translation of concepts into English.
we actually have such a thread
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Old May 19th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #2826
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In my city of Zwolle (pop. 115.000), and many other places in NL, traffic lights are out of operation at certain times, usually between late evening and early morning. This ensures a great increase in traffic flow, because you don't have to stop every time for one car. When the traffic lights are out of operation, normal traffic laws apply, such as priority and are shown with road signs and road markings. This is how it works:

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Old May 19th, 2009, 06:49 PM   #2827
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Signage has been changed at interchange Lankhorst near Meppel (north of Zwolle).

1. OLD:
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2. NEW:
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Much better now.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #2828
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I can't understand why in the old version there was just one arrow pointing down on the A32 turn-off. There is plenty of space on the gully for two, which is what got fixed in the new version.

Also, the new design has:
- marginally smaller font and, I suspect, reduced letter separation
- significantly smaller autosnelweg ikons
- smaller and inconsistently sized arrows
- distal places first, proximal places last

Hmmm ... dunno!

I used to love the old Dutch autosnelweg signs and I thought they were a good example of imaginative use of colour, clear font and logical layout. But I am not so sure about the new ones. Not an improvement for me, really. Still clear, though, but inconsistent and with a hint of a job done on a Friday afternoon or a Monday morning.

But hey, let's look on the bright side - at least the new signs are the same size!


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Personally, I would've placed the roadnumber at the bottom of the sign. But that's just an aesthetics thing.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 09:59 PM   #2830
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But hey, let's look on the bright side - at least the new signs are the same size!
Because they carry the same amount of info. In generall, Dutch new signs don't need to be in the same size, which is a shame.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 10:00 PM   #2831
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What's the role of the green line here?



I saw the explanations but I still don't get it why there's such a green thing in the middle...
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Old May 19th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #2832
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Relax, you can't overtake for like 40 kms
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Old May 19th, 2009, 10:03 PM   #2833
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Relax, you can't overtake for like 40 kms
Make fun of it, but it's very common on provincial roads now...
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Old May 19th, 2009, 10:04 PM   #2834
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There is probably nothing else to do do but to jeer at it...
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Old May 19th, 2009, 10:07 PM   #2835
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To me it looks like giving people work in times of crisis...
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Old May 19th, 2009, 11:25 PM   #2836
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Work on the A4 bottleneck near Leiderdorp will start in June.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 11:28 PM   #2837
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I hope they will finish it this time. I can never understand if a environmentalist feels good about himself with the knowledge that his actions caused the #1 bottleneck to be kept in place. I can hardly believe such a person will actually think he's doing the right job by wasting other people's time.
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Relax, you can't overtake for like 40 kms
I really don't understand the logic behind it. So if someone is driving 60 km/h in front of you and road is empty to overtake, why prohibit overtaking?
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Because this is the Netherlands
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Old May 20th, 2009, 09:55 AM   #2840
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What's the role of the green line here?
to make the road more environmentally friendly... (aka "green")

I would like to suggest a cooperation for the holland road painters:

come hungary and paint our roads, cause we ha no money for paint and no money for painters' salary...

everybody will be happy: they can paint for years, and our roads will be painted finally...

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