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Old July 10th, 2009, 01:35 PM   #3021
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Holiday mayhem begins.

At the moment 60 kilometer traffic jam on A2 south of Abcoude, and 30 kilometer backup on A50 around Arnhem and Nijmegen.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 02:23 PM   #3022
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Would train be better, quicker and more comfortable in this case ?
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Old July 10th, 2009, 02:28 PM   #3023
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No this is holiday traffic.. A train can't substitute that.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 02:33 PM   #3024
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Take the tires off your caravan, hook it up to the Thalys. I predict trouble
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Old July 10th, 2009, 02:39 PM   #3025
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Holiday mayhem begins.
... 60 kilometer traffic jam ... 30 kilometer backup ....
The NL autosnelweg network is turning into a car park.

Please could you advise me on how I could avoid this kind of nightmare on a week day. I need to go to Rotterdam/Den Haag in August from Poland. I normally take the E30 route and enter NL on the A1 near De Lutte/Oldenzaal.

What is the best way to get to Rotterdam/Den Haag from around Oldenzaal? My usual route is A1 > A50 > A15, so my question is: could I do better than that?

I would appreciate your advice and any traveller's tips.


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Old July 10th, 2009, 02:44 PM   #3026
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There are no alternatives. If you hit rushhour, you will have congestion. Although summer period isn't that bad, summer rushhours have only like 50 - 100 km of traffic jam, as opposed to 200 - 600 km (depending on measure) during normal rushhours.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 03:08 PM   #3027
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i come each year several times in the NL..

I has been over 10 years since i hit a traffic jam I come in the holidays and plan my trips around the rush hours...

It is better to stay on the terrace, drinking another coke, enjoying the sun, then waiting in line...
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Old July 10th, 2009, 03:10 PM   #3028
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I would appreciate your advice and any traveller's tips.
There's only one way around traffic jams in this country: take a plane.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 11:14 PM   #3029
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It is maybe a local issue, but I see much more traffic jams around Breda lately, is that new? Sections where trafficjams often occur are the A16 between interchange Princeville and Galder, A58 between interchange Galder and interchange Sint Annabosch (and even further to Tilburg) and the A27 between exit Breda-Zuid and Interchange Hooipolder. In former times I can only remember traffic jams on the A59 because of the traffic lights.
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Old July 11th, 2009, 02:26 PM   #3030
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There's only one way around traffic jams in this country: take a plane.
You will get stuck on your way to the airport and have to cue for customs
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Old July 11th, 2009, 02:34 PM   #3031
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It is maybe a local issue, but I see much more traffic jams around Breda lately, is that new? Sections where trafficjams often occur are the A16 between interchange Princeville and Galder, A58 between interchange Galder and interchange Sint Annabosch (and even further to Tilburg) and the A27 between exit Breda-Zuid and Interchange Hooipolder. In former times I can only remember traffic jams on the A59 because of the traffic lights.
It's hard to say. As far as I know, traffic patterns haven't changed around Breda due to new roads recently. In fact, traffic congestion is significantly down due to the recession, especially truck traffic has decreased, which has a positive impact on the road capacity.

It could be a local problem, such as traffic light changes that cause queues on the motorway.
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Old July 11th, 2009, 04:09 PM   #3032
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You will get stuck on your way to the airport and have to cue for customs
Trains and subways are an answer but then you'll still be queuing for ticket vending machines
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Old July 11th, 2009, 09:43 PM   #3033
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Trains and subways are an answer but then you'll still be queuing for ticket vending machines

And THEN you'll be standing for who knows how long there waiting for the next train!





Better try a bicycle (or skates in winter)....



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Old July 11th, 2009, 09:53 PM   #3034
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We all better go back to farming, where everyone grows their own crop, nobody ever needs to travel anymore
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Old July 11th, 2009, 11:47 PM   #3035
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I always found the N281 an interesting road, it's one of the very few urban expressways in the Netherlands. Road class is usually motorway -> next = regular road. There's no road class in between (expressway).
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Max speed 100kph?

The N57 between Middelburg and Vlissingen-Oost is going to be an interesting road in that respect as well (when the complete the new route and aquaduct by late 2010). It'll be 2x2 with a wide green median. Although I think the maximum speed in the Middelburg area will be 80kph.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 03:14 PM   #3037
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Some new signage near Abcoude, also showing the width of the A2 in the future





Yuck!


Wtf did they do here?
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Old July 12th, 2009, 03:17 PM   #3038
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Too many numbers, signs not in the same size
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Old July 12th, 2009, 03:19 PM   #3039
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I hate E-numbers, they're no use... only messing up the signage. Europe is no United States, E-numbers should be administrative only.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 03:28 PM   #3040
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E-numbers are nonsense indeed. I don't know anyone who pays attention to them.

On a side note: ZOAB is such a blessing. I drove into a massive thunderstorm last night, the entire motorway had ZOAB, except for a short bridge. It's such a gigantic difference, I had almost forgotten what driving through the rain used to be like!
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