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Old July 12th, 2009, 03:31 PM   #3041
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i am so with you. E-numbers in countries with an effective national road numbering system (F, NL, D, I etc.) are so useless and confusing. In Germany, luckily they only post them on mileposts and on some transit-routes (i.e. A1 in the North). PLEASE, don't destroy the perfect NL-design with that!
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Old July 12th, 2009, 03:35 PM   #3042
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On a side note: ZOAB is such a blessing. I drove into a massive thunderstorm last night, the entire motorway had ZOAB, except for a short bridge. It's such a gigantic difference, I had almost forgotten what driving through the rain used to be like!
Yeah.

For those who don't know; ZOAB can be translated as "Porous Asphalt Concrete". It's expensive (two to three times more than regular asphalt), but it offers excellent drainage and noise reduction, so you won't see any splash even during heavy rain.

The Netherlands is the only country in the world whose objective it is to cover 100% of the motorways with ZOAB. As far as I know, they're somewhere around 80 or 90% now.

Downside is the cost... It needs to be repaved every 7 years, but sometimes more often due to truck traffic load. I believe maintenance totals around 1 billion euros per year, which is more than a third of the total highway administration budget. But hey, our stupid laws make other projects almost impossible, so they have to spend the money somewhere
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Old July 12th, 2009, 05:30 PM   #3043
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thats interesting about the degradation of ZOAB.
Auckland sealed all it's motorways with ZOAB in the late 1980's but I noticed that now there isn't any ZOAB to be seen there anymore (just standard smooth asphalt). Must have had something to do with a cost and the regular resealing as you said.
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Old July 13th, 2009, 02:50 PM   #3044
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The Dutch mountains!

This is actually a few kms from my home, in Hattem.
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Old July 13th, 2009, 03:15 PM   #3045
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5% what an ungodly slope. Please tell me we have laws forcing people to wear high visibility jackets and helmets when they drive there. :scared:
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Old July 13th, 2009, 04:30 PM   #3046
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There's such a sign (with 5% decent) in Alblasserdam too, far from anything that can be called a "hill"... (just a dike)
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Old July 13th, 2009, 06:05 PM   #3047
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There's a fire in the Westerscheldetunnel, traffic jams right now on boths sides.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 10:35 AM   #3048
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FIRE IN WESTERN SCHELDT TUNNEL UNDER CONTROL

MIDDELBURG - The tunnel under the Western Scheldt was reopened to traffic at 5.30pm on Monday after suffering a limited fire earlier that day. The fire erupted in a family car at 3.18pm in the Western tube of the tunnel which handles Southbound traffic in the direction of Terneuzen and the Belgian border. Both tubes of the tunnel were sealed for traffic immediately, giving emergency services ample room and opportunity to deal with the situation.

The Eastern tube for Northbound traffic was reopened at 4:35pm.

During the shut down, traffic jams on the North shore of the Scheldt measured 8 kilometers in length. There were six kilometers of jams on the South shore.

The car that erupted into flames carried three people, one adult and two children. All escaped the vehicle unharmed. The family escaped from the tunnel through a third tube which lies in between the two main tubes. This third, smaller tube, is for pedestrians only. It's sealed from the motorized traffic tubes by emergency fire-proof doors and leads to both shores of the Western Scheldt.

The tunnel under the Western Scheldt measures 6.6 kilometers (4.1 miles) in length.
Swift action there, I'm impressed.

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Old July 14th, 2009, 01:12 PM   #3049
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Old July 14th, 2009, 01:17 PM   #3050
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Awesome pics. I've been driving across the Brienenoord sisters some 4 times per week recently (for work) and it's always impressive. Especially the wide massive motorways South of the bridges.

Sadly to the North it gets a little awkward. I hate that part where the motorway is quite slim and squeezed in between residential buildings in Northern Rotterdam. It looks sad and cramped.
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Old July 15th, 2009, 10:35 PM   #3051
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The family escaped from the tunnel through a third tube which lies in between the two main tubes. This third, smaller tube, is for pedestrians only. It's sealed from the motorized traffic tubes by emergency fire-proof doors and leads to both shores of the Western Scheldt.
There is no third tube. The two tubes are connected every 250m to each other.

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Old July 16th, 2009, 11:22 AM   #3052
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You're right, the official website of the tunnel says the passengers were evacuated to the East tube instead. Silly error.
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Old July 16th, 2009, 01:10 PM   #3053
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Something like 10 lanes ?

This pavement on this expressway reminds of some Ukrainian road near Cherkasy
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Old July 16th, 2009, 02:47 PM   #3054
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Something like 10 lanes ?

This pavement on this expressway reminds of some Ukrainian road near Cherkasy
What? Wrong thread?
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Old July 16th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #3055
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The Dutch mountains!

This is actually a few kms from my home, in Hattem.
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How long is this ramp?
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Old July 16th, 2009, 05:32 PM   #3056
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200 meters?
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Old July 17th, 2009, 02:45 PM   #3057
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A Dutch survey found that Amsterdam is the most expensive city in the world to park your car. One day parking cost € 50 or 70 dollars. The most expensive parking garage in New York is 40 dollars.
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Old July 17th, 2009, 05:22 PM   #3058
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A Dutch survey found that Amsterdam is the most expensive city in the world to park your car. One day parking cost € 50 or 70 dollars. The most expensive parking garage in New York is 40 dollars.
Payed 26 euro at a parking yesterday for a night out. Oh well, if you're going with a big group and split costs, it's still less expensive than taking the train and you can drive back as late as you want. But the pricing is ridiculous.. :/
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Old July 17th, 2009, 06:21 PM   #3059
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A Dutch survey found that Amsterdam is the most expensive city in the world to park your car. One day parking cost € 50 or 70 dollars. The most expensive parking garage in New York is 40 dollars.
In Paris I've paid around 46 euros for little over 24 hours. And it was not even in the city centre (just inside the pérephérique).
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Old July 18th, 2009, 12:27 AM   #3060
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For daytourist or visitors, the best way to park your car in Amsterdam is underneath the Amsterdam ArenA-stadium (Transferium).

Cost 6 Euro per day and you get 4 Public Transportation Tickets (Train/Metro/Bus) to travel from Bijlmer-ArenA Station to Amsterdam Central Station. The journey from Bijlmer-ArenA to Central Station with the metro is 10 minutes.

The Amsterdam parkingfares are high because there is a lack of parkinglots. The old citycentre isn't build for motorized traffic.
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