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Old September 12th, 2009, 08:41 PM   #3221
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That's right!

A little sidenote about the roundabout. It's poorly conceived and signed, there should be a physical lane divider, but there isn't one, which makes this one look like a regular 2-lane roundabout, but it's a turbo roundabout. Also, the signage is still temporary, which doesn't make this any clearer.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 08:54 PM   #3222
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Today I made a video from the A2 Oudenrijn interchange - Abcoude. Unfortunately the cable of my camera is still at home so I won't be able to transfer it to my computer until tomorrow.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 02:00 PM   #3223
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Youtube ****ed up the quality of the video, sorry about that:

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Old September 14th, 2009, 02:19 PM   #3224
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Hey, nice video and the quality is decent. Only the windshield dirty as usual.

Is everyone speeding there or you're just driving that slow?
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Old September 14th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #3225
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Timon is 91 years old (hence the username). Old people just drive slower
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Old September 14th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #3226
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The quality of the video is okay

Youtube requires some time for processing, even after it has gone "live". My videos sometimes take up to an hour to process to full quality.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 03:32 PM   #3227
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Timon is 91 years old (hence the username). Old people just drive slower
Yeah, that's why I've just finished highschool

We were just driving 95 (90 is the speed limit), so everyone is just speeding
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Old September 14th, 2009, 03:36 PM   #3228
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Typical example of ridiculous speed limits...

This road will be 2x5 with a Vmax of 100 km/h......

Similar problems are on A16, 2x3 and a Vmax=100 from Rotterdam to Breda.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 03:40 PM   #3229
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Yeah, that's why I've just finished highschool
Please don't tell me you were born 1991, that should be illegal. I just turned 26, and I went to some silly school play cause a friend dragged me there. Anyway, all the kids were born in 2000/2001. That's just wrong, man

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We were just driving 95 (90 is the speed limit), so everyone is just speeding
I hate having to do 90, I always feel like I could get out and push the car and still be faster.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:38 PM   #3230
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Please don't tell me you were born 1991, that should be illegal.
I didn't drive, I did nothing illegal. Nothing wrong with 1991
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Old September 16th, 2009, 12:40 PM   #3231
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Everybody knows about A4 Delft - Rotterdam. It's a project that has legally been on the table since the ROD (record of decision) in 1965, 44 years ago.

However, what many don't know, that there's even a project with a significant older ROD. The A11 between A4 and A44 had got it's ROD as early as 1956 and 1959. That's 53 years ago.

approximate route:
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This project, however, is very sensitive too, but doesn't get much nationwide political attention, mostly because it would relieve the city of Leiden, but it doesn't have much national importance like A4. The A11 project (Rijn land route) does get some attention every once in a while, but nothing serious yet.

Leiden is one of the worst Dutch cities for driving. Of course, it's no The Hague or Amsterdam, but for a city of it's size, the road network is pretty bad. The freeways A4 and A44 cannot play a significant role in Leiden's traffic, and there is no good beltway or east-westroutes through the city. That's why A11 is needed. This area has seen significant development of housing, and they now want to developed former NAS (Naval Air Station) Valkenburg into a mass housing location.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 04:06 PM   #3232
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Another headache project.... A15 south of Arnhem.

This route was planned since like 30 years, but never build. Now they want to construct it, the only problem is ridiculous environmental measures to build this freeway cause the construction price to go sky high. Estimates for this 14 kilometer, rural freeway are up to 1.2 billion euros.

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Old September 16th, 2009, 05:11 PM   #3233
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85 millions/km...why? Did they plan a lot of tunnels and viaducts, always expensive?
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Old September 16th, 2009, 06:09 PM   #3234
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If it will ever be built, I guess that environmentalists have gone so far that it will be one big tunnel
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Old September 16th, 2009, 06:18 PM   #3235
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Every damn municipality wants a depressed freeway. And you know what kind of soil the Netherlands has. They need to get some reality and stop wasting taxpayers money.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #3236
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imagine, how much acres of nature you can develop with all the extra costs wich are now going to the environmentfriendly highway's
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Old September 16th, 2009, 07:53 PM   #3237
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Another headache project.... A15 south of Arnhem ... estimates for this 14 kilometer, rural freeway are up to 1.2 billion euros.
1.2 billion for 14 km is insane!
I would say this is factor of 5 out, easily.
What are these estimates based on?

Given the flat landscape, is there no way to screen the mway using cascaded natural barriers such as earth embankments + bushes/trees/thickets + noise barriers behind all of this?

You can do a lot of good with 1.2 billion and only ~200 million should be spent on the said 14 km.
The rest should go elsewhere - like me, for example.


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Old September 16th, 2009, 10:19 PM   #3238
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Water crossings are expensive. The A15 will have to cross this:

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Old September 16th, 2009, 10:24 PM   #3239
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Yeah with a tunnel. And you know it, first they propose a bridge, which is considered to have too much impact on the surroundings, so they demand a tunnel. Once you agree to that, they want the rest of the route to be depressed. Once you agree to that too, they demand the entire route to be in a tunnel.

Just build the damn thing at regular level with a tunnel. If we start with depressed freeways in rural areas, where does it end?
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Old September 16th, 2009, 10:33 PM   #3240
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The problem is bridges are usually not much cheaper than tunnels in this country. In most places, rivers run lower than the surrounding land. In this country, you gotta go up to reach the river
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