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Old November 30th, 2009, 10:00 PM   #3521
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Old November 30th, 2009, 10:40 PM   #3522
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This is a real embarrassment. It's time they remove the ultramodern safety system and install an existing (and working) system instead.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #3523
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Yeah, that's the problem, the Dutch always want to show off with the best/newest/safest installations, but this obviously isn't working.

Typical example of us (=government) wanting to be "the best boy in school". I hate that attitude. I don't want my tax money being spent on stuff we don't really need and is only to impress the other EU countries.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 12:02 AM   #3524
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Oh dear, and I find closing down Prague's city ring tunnels once or twice a month for maintenance annoying.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 12:07 AM   #3525
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Interesting POV. Anyhow, I'm coming from Italy, where highway (let alone urban) tunnels are not only a choice but usually a physical imperative -indeed, 5,3% of the whole highway ("autostrade") system is underground. It never ceases to impress me how governments of more "flat" countries like Germany and Belgium (and, of course, the always-flat Netherlands) put massive secutiry measures in short tunnels that are way beyond reasonable requirements.

There's a sense in spending tens of millions to make a 14-km, 2 lane, full of trucks cross-Alps tunnel safe in case of fire. There's not so much sense in making a hollow and short tunnel, specially the "environmental" ones where a handle of 10 meter concrete ramps with fireproof doors would evacuate every one, as expensive as those Alp's tunnels per km-built.

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Old December 1st, 2009, 12:13 AM   #3526
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Exactly. Imagine the tunnels on the Italian A23 being closed down every few days. In that case they better close down the whole road.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 12:27 AM   #3527
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On the other side, Italian government get nuts when developers want to build in "flood-prone" areas near major rivers, and is very afraid of building dikes to secure areas, yet I now live in Tilburg, where people told me the ancient coastline was before they started reclaiming 70km+westerward into the North Sea... As always, experience bring costs down.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 09:36 AM   #3528
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They didn't really reclaim into the north sea if I'm correct. The current Randstad was more a collection of salt lakes with minor connections to the sea.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 12:33 PM   #3529
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They didn't really reclaim into the north sea if I'm correct. The current Randstad was more a collection of salt lakes with minor connections to the sea.
Groningen, Friesland, Flevoland, Holland and Zeeland looked a lot like today's Waddenzee to be precise. The muddy plains (lightblue on the map below) flooded twice a day at high tide.

Or at least that's what Julius Ceasar's private records read.

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Old December 1st, 2009, 01:30 PM   #3530
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interesting map, thanks for posting.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 03:25 PM   #3531
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Man this looks like shit...


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Old December 2nd, 2009, 03:57 PM   #3532
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They just shouldn't have renamed Nieuweschans
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 04:43 PM   #3533
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The amount of breaks in destinations on the signage is really annoying, especially with the new signage, it's hard to find signs that don't have breaks within destinations.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 07:49 PM   #3534
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Why had they added the German prefix?
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 07:51 PM   #3535
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It's also Dutch, isn't it?
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 07:55 PM   #3536
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Yeah Bad Nieuweschans is a Dutch town at the German border. It's the Netherlands' northernmost border crossing.

They added "Bad" a while ago because they think they are a spa and want to attract some more Germans.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:33 PM   #3537
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A bad afternoon to be on the roads:

373 meldingen
Totale lengte: 1103km
Totale vertraging: 2309min

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Old December 4th, 2009, 11:45 AM   #3538
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Santa Claus visited the Dutch speed cameras:


























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Old December 4th, 2009, 01:00 PM   #3539
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Typical example of us (=government) wanting to be "the best boy in school". I hate that attitude. I don't want my tax money being spent on stuff we don't really need and is only to impress the other EU countries.

we are impressed, we are impressed...

we have a double whitestripe with a red one in the middle takeover-forbidder too...

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Old December 4th, 2009, 05:05 PM   #3540
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Santa Claus visited the Dutch speed cameras
More like Denmark occupied the Netherlands. What does it mean in practice?
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