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Old December 15th, 2009, 06:27 PM   #3581
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Just like the N50 between Den Bosch and Oss, same case, but a bit less AADT (I don't know the exact numbers), But if you want to get an idea of how it was like, look at the N65 today, imagine that the traffic amounts on the N2 where way higher, and cry.. terrible..
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Old December 16th, 2009, 12:58 PM   #3582
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Are there any plans to update the N65 from Udenhout to Den Bosch to motorway standards?

(off-topic remark: people who live in Den Bosch should warn foreign driving visitor to look for the offical city name in their devices. My GPS device has only the "official" names for Dutch cities ('s-Hertogenbosch and 's-Gravenhage) )
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Old December 16th, 2009, 01:23 PM   #3583
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Are there any plans to update the N65 from Udenhout to Den Bosch to motorway standards?
There are no advanced plans, but ideas pop up in the region every once in a while. The situation of N65 is identical to that of the N2 before 1996. Both connect larger cities (Den Bosch/Tilburg and Den Bosch/Eindhoven) and are similar in length and layout (four-lane divided highway with traffic lights).

Another road in this region with a similar layout used to be the N50 Oss - Den Bosch (now A59), also a four-lane divided highway with traffic lights prior to it's reconstruction into a motorway in 2005.

Earlier plans called for an A2 along the eastern side of Eindhoven, which would have branched off current A2 near Den Bosch and then rejoined A2 at Weert. A2 between Eindhoven and Weert wasn't completed until 1989. There are still ideas and visions about a full motorway ring around Eindhoven.
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Old December 17th, 2009, 08:11 AM   #3584
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Okay, it's 7.10 am an we already have 1.800 kilometers of traffic jam!

historic:

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Old December 17th, 2009, 08:24 AM   #3585
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We cracked the 2000 kilometer mark.

2.066 kilometers of traffic jam right now.

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Totale lengte: 2600km

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Old December 17th, 2009, 09:03 AM   #3586
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An additional 1000 kilometer of congestion popped up in the last half hour.

Totale lengte: 3005km
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Old December 17th, 2009, 09:19 AM   #3587
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^keep updating Chris!! 2047 and a total of 3222!!!

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!!!
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Old December 17th, 2009, 09:28 AM   #3588
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653 meldingen
Totale lengte: 3336km
Totale vertraging: 6204min
653 incidents
total length: 3.336 kilometer
total delay: 6.204 minutes
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Old December 17th, 2009, 09:41 AM   #3589
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It looks like you will have a continues trafficjam from Breda to Leeuwarden....
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Old December 17th, 2009, 09:47 AM   #3590
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Don't they salt higways in advance, to avoid snow accumulation? Or do they wait until it comes to let the salt trucks out?
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Old December 17th, 2009, 09:52 AM   #3591
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Don't they salt higways in advance, to avoid snow accumulation? Or do they wait until it comes to let the salt trucks out?
Salt doesn't work with 20+ cm snow. They salt extensively in the Netherlands.
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Old December 17th, 2009, 11:20 AM   #3592
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There were warnings for this yesterday, people were advised to take the train. Regardless of how you'd get to the station, this is the current situation at Utrecht Centraal. Not much better...

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Old December 17th, 2009, 11:27 AM   #3593
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I didn't have that much of a problem between Zwolle and Utrecht Centraal. The 07:11 train to Rotterdam CS had to be abandoned in Amersfoort because there wasn't any traffic possible near Gouda but I could easily transfer to the Den Haag intercity. Additional travel time: 10 minutes. Better to come by train then by car on days like these, at least if your destination is near a station.
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Old December 17th, 2009, 11:30 AM   #3594
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Better to come by train then by car on days like these, at least if your destination is near a station.
I don't know, it also happens that trains don't drive at all and people have to spend the night at a hotel or a sport complex. Better be stuck in traffic for a while, at least you have transportation.
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Old December 17th, 2009, 12:07 PM   #3595
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Even better is to stay home drinking hot chocolate. Sure beats going anywhere in this weather
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Old December 17th, 2009, 05:00 PM   #3596
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I don't know, it also happens that trains don't drive at all and people have to spend the night at a hotel or a sport complex. Better be stuck in traffic for a while, at least you have transportation.
Yep, here we go, massive amounts of trains are canceled, especially around the national hub of Utrecht.

Rush hour is already topping 1.000 kilometer.
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Old December 17th, 2009, 05:03 PM   #3597
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Any congestion stats from NL, Chris??
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Old December 17th, 2009, 05:05 PM   #3598
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It's quite funny to see how a whole country comes to a standstill because of some snow. In a country like Germany they laugh about amounts of snow like this (only up north there is quite much snow).

Trains are cancelled because of frozen railroad switches. Those switches are heated to prevent this, but it just doesn't work
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Old December 17th, 2009, 05:32 PM   #3599
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But it's not just us Dutchies. It seems like it's snowing in Belgium as well:



a close up of Brussels:
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Old December 17th, 2009, 06:17 PM   #3600
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I don't know, it also happens that trains don't drive at all and people have to spend the night at a hotel or a sport complex. Better be stuck in traffic for a while, at least you have transportation.
In Belgium, the railway company usually provides replacement buses or taxis to get the people where they need to go.

People will almost never get stuck at a railway station.


And about the snow: Actually we would need more snow, so people would buy winter tires... In Finland, I drove on pure ice (frozen lake road) with winter tires and spikes and the performance was extremely good (very good braking and steering). When I got out of the car I instantly fell down because it was so slippery...
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