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Old February 13th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #3861
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Nice report! I've never been on the Markerwaarddijk, but I'd love to go there some time. I've been to Marken, but it was about 10 years ago
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Old February 13th, 2010, 10:31 PM   #3862
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The Markerwaarddijk was built for a later extraction of land from the water for the Markerwaard so that the new land ('polder') could be use for new cities, like in the Flevopolder. But it never happened. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markermeer for more information

@Chris: The name "Dijk Enkhuizen-Lelystad" is commonly used in traffic information. As is the official roadnumber N302.

And it was my first time here as well
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Old February 13th, 2010, 11:14 PM   #3863
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And finally some 'real highway'-pictures. The A9 from knoopunt Holendrecht to the A4 at Schiphol (Amsterdam Airport)

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Old February 14th, 2010, 12:31 AM   #3864
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Why there is a green line in the middle of road? I have never seen such a think like that on a road in Europe. Maybe, it`s quite common in NL, but I have never been there. What a pity.

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Old February 14th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #3865
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It means you're on an "Autoweg" (express road). This usually means a speed limit of 100 km/h.

Although 100 km/h still feels like walking on that endless dike because you have no point of reference. I was once doing 140 km/h unnoticed, but it felt like 100 km/h. It's an awesome drive if you have no slowpoke in front of you.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 10:53 AM   #3866
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It means you're on an "Autoweg" (express road). This usually means a speed limit of 100 km/h.

Although 100 km/h still feels like walking on that endless dike because you have no point of reference. I was once doing 140 km/h unnoticed, but it felt like 100 km/h. It's an awesome drive if you have no slowpoke in front of you.
Thank you. Your express roads have just 2 lanes? So, that means in NL you have only Autosnelwegen and than Autoweg (maybe like our 1. class roads?). I thought that Autoweg can be something like our express road (R = Rýchlostná cesta) with 4 lanes.

PS: I realy don`t understand why do we have (SR and other states in EU) express roads when they are like normal motorways.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 11:20 AM   #3867
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Some Autowegen have 2x2 lanes and limited access, but they usually lack shoulders and have a speed limit of 100 km/h.

So they are definitely of lower design than R-roads in Slovakia or the Czech Republic. We don't have a lot of real expressways like the German Autobahnähnliche Straße or the Rýchlostná cesta.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 11:28 AM   #3868
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Some Autowegen have 2x2 lanes and limited access, but they usually lack shoulders and have a speed limit of 100 km/h.

So they are definitely of lower design than R-roads in Slovakia or the Czech Republic. We don't have a lot of real expressways like the German Autobahnähnliche Straße or the Rýchlostná cesta.
I see. So I realy don`t understand why do we have R-roads. Btw, on our R-roads is speed limit of 110 km/h, but in fact, they are like a normal motorways.R-road in Slovakia also have junctions like a motorway.

It means your Autowegen is like our I class road?

for example -

btw, it can also have 4 lanes



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Old February 14th, 2010, 05:31 PM   #3869
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oh I really liked the old dark blue signage in the netherlands. Too sad, they abolished those signs and colors... so pure
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:53 PM   #3870
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Rijkswaterstaat will begin with preparing roadworks for the widening of A50 between interchange Grijsoord and interchange Valburg tomorrow (Tuesday February 16th, 2010).

This motorway currently carries 90,000 AADT on 2x2 lanes, and heavy congestion occurs here, often in both directions during rush hour. Traffic jams are typically up to 12 - 17 km long here.

The real widening will take place between summer 2010 and summer 2011.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 11:56 PM   #3871
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To which extent?? 2*3??

And further down, what about the widening between Valburg and Ewijk??
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Old February 16th, 2010, 04:09 PM   #3872
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I remember seeing photos of 2x1 road with median and quite wide hard shoulder, it was basically like motorway but only with one driving lane per direction, but I'm unable to find them. Anyone knows where they are?

Something like this, but with wider median and hard shoulders:


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I see. So I realy don`t understand why do we have R-roads. Btw, on our R-roads is speed limit of 110 km/h, but in fact, they are like a normal motorways.R-road in Slovakia also have junctions like a motorway.
R roads have general speed limit 130 km/h, not 110.
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That's N50. Quite an exception.

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Old February 16th, 2010, 04:41 PM   #3874
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To which extent?? 2*3??

And further down, what about the widening between Valburg and Ewijk??
Both the interchanges will be extensively rebuilt and the A50 is going to be widened to 2*4 lanes with an additional steel bridge built over the Waal river.
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Old February 16th, 2010, 05:26 PM   #3875
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That's N50. Quite an exception.
Thank you, we were talking about an idea to built Slovak D1 between Košice and Ukrainian border in similar alignment, but it's just and idea which won't come true.
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Old February 16th, 2010, 06:25 PM   #3876
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To which extent?? 2*3??
Yes, 2x3 lanes, plus shoulders.

The most amazing thing is procedures to widen A50 were already started in the mid-1990's. The first document "Trajectnota" was published in 1996. So after 14 years, it's about damn time.
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Old February 16th, 2010, 06:54 PM   #3877
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I remember seeing photos of 2x1 road with median and quite wide hard shoulder, it was basically like motorway but only with one driving lane per direction, but I'm unable to find them. Anyone knows where they are?
I know also this one in Switzerland: http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...,32.77,,0,6.21
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Old February 16th, 2010, 07:19 PM   #3878
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Single lane roads with shoulders are quite common in Europe, look in Spain or Portugal for example. In the Netherlands, such things are considered overdone, so they design it as tight as possible. I don't think you'll find many countries with roads that carry 20,000 AADT and have a lane width of 2.75 m.
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Old February 18th, 2010, 03:30 PM   #3879
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Currently, the Dutch cabinet is on the verge of collapsing. Normally I don't like shortened terms for continuity's sake, but this will probably mean the end of the km charge for now if the cabinet falls.

However, recent events have shown a near-collapse of the cabinet before, so I won't cheer too soon about this.
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Old February 18th, 2010, 11:31 PM   #3880
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Haven't the Dutch PM survived a motion of no confidence yesterday?

As long as the new government keep the plans to construct the highways near Amsterdam and between Rotterdam and Den Haag, it is ok for me (I'm kidding, I barely arrived last June and I don't know much about Dutch politics besides the fact that Geert Wilders was leading some polls last October or something like that).
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