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Old February 22nd, 2010, 07:08 PM   #3901
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Here are some of wilders' plans:

- higher maximum speeds on most highways.

- improvements of the infrastructure, mostly highways.

- lower infrastructure taxes.

- removing the climate taxes on certain cars.

- the construction of more ecoducts.

I haven't seen the local plans yet.
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 07:30 PM   #3902
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Wilders doesn't participate in the local elections, so he probably doesn't have plans for that.

I don't see higher speed limits coming into fruition with the safetyphobia in the Netherlands. Not politicians, but certain semi-government groups are most responsible for that (SWOV, CROW, etc). Only politicians change the laws, but they do that based on recommendations by aforementioned organizations.
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 08:00 PM   #3903
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I'm taking an intensive course in Dutch, yet I remained with a doubt: was the redesigned signing plan done mainly to accommodate ubiquitous satellite navigators, so drivers could easily see road signs helping them to see where they should drive, which lane to bear etc?
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 08:10 PM   #3904
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No, it is only noted that the upward arrows are similar to that in GPS's, which would make a stronger point for using them.

The real point of the upward arrows was to reflect the upcoming road situation better. Downwards arrows are not suited for this, especially in taper situations at interchanges. Some say traffic congestion has been reduced due to the new signage at some interchanges.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 11:17 PM   #3905
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Is there anything more in-depth and technical?
I am looking for this level of detail..
Yes, there is. But it is not public yet.
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Old February 24th, 2010, 12:52 PM   #3906
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No, it is only noted that the upward arrows are similar to that in GPS's, which would make a stronger point for using them.

The real point of the upward arrows was to reflect the upcoming road situation better. Downwards arrows are not suited for this, especially in taper situations at interchanges. Some say traffic congestion has been reduced due to the new signage at some interchanges.
Two of the three examples mislabel non-optional exit lanes as optional ones. Hopefully the actual installations don't do that!
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Old February 24th, 2010, 02:04 PM   #3907
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Yes, there is. But it is not public yet.
Any chance of letting me have an unofficial copy while you are waiting to publish?
Antwoord via PM, aub.

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Old February 24th, 2010, 06:04 PM   #3908
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I don't think that will happen, MAG
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Old February 24th, 2010, 06:05 PM   #3909
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A28/A50, Interchange Hattemerbroek

Pavement on A28 was once again completely destroyed by winter weather, it's about the 8th time this winter that they had to close a lane due to unacceptable pavement conditions.

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Old February 24th, 2010, 06:37 PM   #3910
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I really wish that our signage in Canada could look as nice as the Polish redesign. I think the US/Canada style looks old and cheaply thrown together. Their design is inconsistent, as well. Some signs will be centred while some will be right-aligned. Pictures are thrown confusingly on them sometimes, too. Some are written all in caps while others aren't.

European styles, especially the new Polish one, are very nice.
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Old February 24th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #3911
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I really wish that our signage in Canada could look as nice as the Polish redesign. I think the US/Canada style looks old and cheaply thrown together. Their design is inconsistent, as well. Some signs will be centred while some will be right-aligned. Pictures are thrown confusingly on them sometimes, too. Some are written all in caps while others aren't.

European styles, especially the new Polish one, are very nice.
New Polish signage?
Any photos?
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Old February 24th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #3912
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Uh, guise, for the millionth time - there is no new Polish signage

There is a totally unofficial proposition made by SSC genius, MAG (linked somewhere in this page), and currently there is a struggle to interest the authorities with it.
In case of any progress I guarentee that the Polish thread will become totally flooded with enthusiastic comments and every piece of news we will be able to gather.

And now back to Dutch roads. I've heard that they even have some motorways
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Old February 24th, 2010, 09:42 PM   #3913
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Trust you on that one! Just had to ensure me I had not missed out on something this important.
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Old February 25th, 2010, 12:36 AM   #3914
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Just heard on the radio that a lot of highways stretches are closed or limited to 1 driveable lane tonight because of high priority repairs.

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A12
Utrecht - Den Haag
Verbindingsweg afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
A20
Gouda - Hoek van Holland
Verbindingsweg afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
A12
Den Haag - Utrecht
Afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
A9
Amstelveen - Diemen
Verbindingsweg afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
A16
Antwerpen - Breda
Verbindingsweg afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
A12
Den Haag - Utrecht
Verbindingsweg afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
A1
Amsterdam - Amersfoort
Verbindingsweg afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
A27
Gorinchem - Utrecht
Verbindingsweg afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
A50
Zwolle - Apeldoorn
Afgesloten
Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
N50
Zwolle - Emmeloord
Afgesloten
Oorzaak: Spoedreparatie

A1
Afnemend
Apeldoorn - Hengelo
Tussen Deventer-Oost en Lochem op de Zuidbaan
4 km langzaam rijdend tot stilstaand verkeer

Oorzaak: Wegwerkzaamheden
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Old February 28th, 2010, 01:02 AM   #3915
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How many Kms of motorways do you have, which is buildt of concret(asphalt)?
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Old February 28th, 2010, 01:05 AM   #3916
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Concrete? Almost none... the last major concrete section, on A1 Hengelo - German border is currently being repaved with asphalt.

A270 is still concrete, but it's only a few km long near Eindhoven. The next longest concrete section has to be A28 between Utrecht and Amersfoort, I think it's 10 or 15 km long.
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Old February 28th, 2010, 01:13 AM   #3917
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It is because I ´ve red in some hungarian forums that concrete is the best way of building motorways, about maintainence and so on, but the only place it is used in H is the M0 section around Bp.
What do you think about that?
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Old February 28th, 2010, 11:23 AM   #3918
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I have the tendency to say that it's a bad idea of using concrete for highway pavement. It's not without a proper reason that the old concrete highways are being replaced by asphalt in most West-European countries. Personally, when driving in Belgium I regularly encounter contrete pavements and I have the impression (but I'm not fully sure, to be confirmed by others) that concrete is more slippery (especially during winter and rainy conditions), it is very noisy and I also have the impression that it is more sensitive to cracks (as a result of freezing water). Asphalt can extend/shrink a bit without cracking.
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Old February 28th, 2010, 12:17 PM   #3919
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The initial costs of concrete are higher, but if done correctly, it can go a long time without needing replacement. But that is also the disadvantage, if concrete cracks, you cannot repair it as nice and easy as asphalt.

They have put concrete at some traffic light intersections in my city to prevent accelerating truck traffic creating camel pavement, but it has over 50 patched-up cross-cracks in only 100 meters. Now this is quite extreme, but it can happen.

Another disadvantage in Europe with concrete is the noise level. The noise norms in Europe are quite strict, and it's hard to achieve it with concrete, because it is significantly more noisy, think about +3 dB compared to regular asphalt concrete. Porous asphalt can have a reduction of -3 to -4 dB, which means there is up to 7 dB difference with concrete. Now that is significant.
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Old February 28th, 2010, 02:23 PM   #3920
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It is because I ´ve red in some hungarian forums that concrete is the best way of building motorways, about maintainence and so on, but the only place it is used in H is the M0 section around Bp.
What do you think about that?

A large section of the A28 highway between Amersfoort and Utrecht are made of concrete, not?

@ChrisZwolle: Do you know more about that? Last time I drove there, I were sure the road was made of concrete between Amersfoort and Soesterberg/Den Dolder.....

Maybe you know more? Besides Zwolle lies at the A28.
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