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Old March 17th, 2010, 11:06 PM   #3981
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Old March 18th, 2010, 12:59 AM   #3982
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One of the most reguarly stolen city-signs in the Nethelands, together with the huge city of "Netherlands" (one street)
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Old March 18th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #3983
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I like the idea of physically separated lanes on straight and relative fast 2x1 roads. + the hard shoulder - whoa
This is imo worse than a regular 2x1 road. Spending loads of money to build a 2X2 road, while opening only one lane per direction. This should have been build as a motorway right away...

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Are there some other places with physical split?
New regional roads in the province of South-Holland are now often build als 1+1 with a median of a few meters. No barrier and no emergency lanes...
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Old March 18th, 2010, 02:27 AM   #3984
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Are there some other places with physical split?
http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...,43.95,,0,1.18
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Old March 18th, 2010, 02:58 AM   #3985
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nice. didn't know that there is another Zurich in Netherlands.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 03:28 AM   #3986
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Thank you.

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This is imo worse than a regular 2x1 road. Spending loads of money to build a 2X2 road, while opening only one lane per direction. This should have been build as a motorway right away...



New regional roads in the province of South-Holland are now often build als 1+1 with a median of a few meters. No barrier and no emergency lanes...
I definitely support motorways so I agree with you that motorway should be built from the beginning. There would be also less costs at the end.

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If they already did 2x1 only, it is in my opinion safer with physical split. Safety is why I like those barriers on 2x1 roads.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 05:14 AM   #3987
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If they already did 2x1 only, it is in my opinion safer with physical split. Safety is why I like those barriers on 2x1 roads.
Then why don't they update speed accordingly?

Still, I don't think such scheme would be viable in any non-flat country xD I was just imaging getting behind a truck over a 42-curve mountain pass ascent approach like passo dello Stelvio.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #3988
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Nice pics, Chris! The N/A31 is always nice to drive. I remember that I made my first roadpics of the A7 and the N/A31
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:42 AM   #3989
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Time for more pics

A1 Hengelo-German border

Last sunday Chris and I drove from Zwolle to Steinfurt, thereby passing the A1 between Hengelo and Germany. Apart from the A28 near Utrecht, this is the last concrete motorway in the Netherlands. However, it's being reconstructed at the moment and only a little bit of it is left. This part of the A1 really gives one a feeling of "you're almost in Germany, but you're not there yet".

1. Passing a Lithuanian truck. The A1 is known for the large amount of trucks using it (on weekdays). It's the main route from the Randstad to Northern Germany, Scandinavia and a significant part of Central Europe.



2. Empty motorway.



3. It wasn't busy this sunday.



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5. Exit Oldenzaal ahead.



6. New signage, old pavement.



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8. Osnabrück 90 km.



9. Roadworks ahead.



10. Unsharp pic of a tiny part that has already been repaved.



11. Roadworks.



12. Roadworks for the next 5 km.



13. This part is still concrete.



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15. Luckily it wasn't too busy. I wonder what will happen on friday next week (Good Friday), when trucks aren't allowed to drive in Germany.



16. 2 km of roadworks to go.



17. The Hengelo-Bad Bentheim railroad crosses the motorway here.



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19. End of the roadworks



20. Last part before the border, still concrete.



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21. The exit sign for the border station.



22. Approaching the border.



That's it, hope you liked it!
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Old March 18th, 2010, 02:26 PM   #3990
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12. Roadworks for the next 5 km.

Good idea to have such heart-warming information boards telling you how far to the end of roadworks (nog 5 km = 5 km to go).
The smile on the icon gets progressively happier the nearer the end of the roadworks.
By ~1 km you get a proper upturned smile similar to this: .

Stroke of genius, if you ask me!



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Old March 18th, 2010, 03:10 PM   #3991
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Good idea to have such heart-warming information boards telling you how far to the end of roadworks (nog 5 km = 5 km to go).
The smile on the icon gets progressively happier the nearer the end of the roadworks.
By ~1 km you get a proper upturned smile similar to this: .

Stroke of genius, if you ask me!



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I've seen it first time in Austria in 2008. I found it funny, though the first emoticon was a crying one, and the distance, 32 km
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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:16 PM   #3992
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I've also seen them in Austria. Chris and I discussed about it and we thought that we stole the idea from the Austrians, but we weren't sure. I've seen them in the Netherlands as well though, about one year ago.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:48 PM   #3993
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A37 Hoogeveen

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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:31 PM   #3994
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I've also seen them in Austria. Chris and I discussed about it and we thought that we stole the idea from the Austrians, but we weren't sure. I've seen them in the Netherlands as well though, about one year ago.
Yes, it was copied from Austria. So the credits are for the Austrians.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 05:26 AM   #3995
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Yes, it was copied from Austria. So the credits are for the Austrians.
I forget offhand exactly where I saw it, but I do recall seeing something like that during a roadtrip somewhere here in the USA during the late 1990s. It might have been somewhere in Ohio.

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Old March 19th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #3996
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After decades, the design-record of decision of the A4 Delft - Schiedam has been signed by minster Eurlings. This new motorway will have 3 lanes northbound and 2 southbound due to tunnel regulations. The motorway will be 9 kilometers long and at a cost of € 880 million. The estimated AADT is 109,000.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 12:39 PM   #3997
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Amazing. How is ist possible to have a 2+3 motorway - running in what basically is open land - to cost 100 Mio. Euro/km??
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Old March 19th, 2010, 03:06 PM   #3998
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After decades, the design-record of decision of the A4 Delft - Schiedam has been signed by minster Eurlings. This new motorway will have 3 lanes northbound and 2 southbound due to tunnel regulations. The motorway will be 9 kilometers long and at a cost of € 880 million. The estimated AADT is 109,000.
So the minister decided to extend his legacy before leaving politics? Anyway, Chris, in The Netherlands, what are the exact implications of a "record of decision". Is it a final, binding decision on building an infrastructure project, pending only on money provisions?
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Old March 19th, 2010, 03:28 PM   #3999
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Yes. It is called a "tracébesluit" in Dutch. This was the design-tracébesluit though, next are the appeals, then the final tracébesluit (record of decision) and then the last round of appeals, then it's finalized without a possibility of appeal. Which means the construction should be able to start in 2011.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 09:36 PM   #4000
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What are those "tunnel regulations"? Are they due only to the very short tunnel under the Nieuwe Maas?
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