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Old April 29th, 2010, 12:20 AM   #4081
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the deer can't see the road because of a talud as you can see on this drawing:

http://www.inspraakpunt.nl/Images/KW...306-262390.pdf

the 50m guess is almost right indeed
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Old April 29th, 2010, 12:40 AM   #4082
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These ecoducts do their jobs, I've seen some of them in Canada and they've been proven to work.
I was talking about these big gaps between two lanes, that Seem calls ecoducs :
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My point was : do we really expect animals to use these gaps as ecoducts ?
If yes, it's total madness as no animal will ever follow this gap, but will run away in panic..
If not, it's a waste of space in a state like the Netherlands (to me at least).
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Old April 29th, 2010, 12:49 AM   #4083
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No the median is so wide because of the landscaping
or
because of the saving of a crash barrier.

and I think the second reason is the real one
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Old April 29th, 2010, 01:00 AM   #4084
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These ecoducts do their jobs, I've seen some of them in Canada and they've been proven to work.
I was talking about these big gaps between two lanes, that Seem calls ecoducs :
I'm sure that seem meant the ecoduct under construction in post #4034, so the bridge for animals.

Another reason to leave a gap between lanes is easier widening of the highway (or making citizens believe that they live in a spacious country by building wide roads in the least populated regions)
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Old April 29th, 2010, 01:02 AM   #4085
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It's certainly space reserved for some extra lanes...
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Old April 29th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #4086
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It's certainly space reserved for some extra lanes...
In 'Drente'
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Old April 29th, 2010, 02:12 AM   #4087
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I guess you get confused about two different topics:

- eco "bridge" project
- wide median issue

I'd love to see that wide median eaten up by 2 additional lanes each direction. But I don't know about how busy is that sector. Anyone? Chris?
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Old April 29th, 2010, 10:01 AM   #4088
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It's certainly space reserved for some extra lanes...
No, this is the Drenthe province, which is, to Dutch standards, sparsely populated. The traffic volumes on this motorway are only around 25,000 AADT. It connects two regional cities (Hoogeveen and Emmen) and some international traffic, but not that much since a high-standard connection between Meppen and German A1 near Cloppenburg is still missing.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #4089
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Okay, thanks for your answers, everyone.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 06:45 PM   #4090
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Tomorrow is Queen's Day, plus a 2-week vacation is about to start. This means "RUSH HOUR!".

1250 kilometers of queue.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 07:10 PM   #4091
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There is also an ecoduct near Eindhoven called 'Natuurbrug Het Groene Woud' and it's 50m wide. And another one, at Terlet, also measures 50m. So that should be the standard ecoduct width in the Netherlands.
Do you know how long will be this one?

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Old April 29th, 2010, 07:49 PM   #4092
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I was taking my drivinglessons this afternoon but got stuck on the A10 (Amsterdam), normally I can drive like 120km/h but today only 20km/h...
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Old April 29th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #4093
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You´re not the only one, I was lucky to make my Driving Exam in Den Bosch today, bad luck I failed though...Wasn´t fast enough with decisision making on crossroads...
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Old April 29th, 2010, 09:36 PM   #4094
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Do you know how long will be this one?
I haven't found the exact length, but it should be between 40m and 60m. 40m is the lower limit recommendation so that they can plant all the needed vegetation on the ecoduct.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 09:44 PM   #4095
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You´re not the only one, I was lucky to make my Driving Exam in Den Bosch today, bad luck I failed though...Wasn´t fast enough with decisision making on crossroads...
Is the dutch driving test difficult? Do you have a minimum tuition time like in France?
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Old April 29th, 2010, 10:13 PM   #4096
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I haven't found the exact length, but it should be between 40m and 60m. 40m is the lower limit recommendation so that they can plant all the needed vegetation on the ecoduct.
So, it isn`t so narrow. Do you know what kind of animals lives there?
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Old April 30th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #4097
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So, it isn`t so narrow. Do you know what kind of animals lives there?
It is expected that (not only) the following animals will use the overpass: red deer, roe deer, badger, pine marten, squirrel, bats, lizards, grass snake, butterflies, beetles and birds.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #4098
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An interesting situation has occurred between Belgium and the Netherlands. A traffic jam in Belgium, starting in Antwerpen, extends deep into the Netherlands. It begins already on the Dutch A27, approximately 15 kilometers into the Netherlands. The other end of the traffic jam is about 65 kilometers further south; at Antwerpen-Zuid.

According to the Dutch Traffic Information Center (VID) the waiting time for only the northern 10 km is already 45 minutes. The entire delay to Antwerpen could be well over 2 - 3 hours.

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Old April 30th, 2010, 12:30 PM   #4099
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Trucks leaving towards Germany at the Dutch-German-border last night.
Viva la free borders of Urope!
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:11 AM   #4100
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An interesting situation has occurred between Belgium and the Netherlands. A traffic jam in Belgium, starting in Antwerpen, extends deep into the Netherlands. It begins already on the Dutch A27, approximately 15 kilometers into the Netherlands. The other end of the traffic jam is about 65 kilometers further south; at Antwerpen-Zuid.

According to the Dutch Traffic Information Center (VID) the waiting time for only the northern 10 km is already 45 minutes. The entire delay to Antwerpen could be well over 2 - 3 hours.
From what I heard on the news, the Flanders Traffic Information Center (Verkeerscentrum Vlaanderen) asked the VID to divert as much traffic as possible to Bergen-op-Zoom very early on. That way the traffic could flow around the other side of Antwerp towards the A12, but the VID refused that to keep that area clear for the queen's convoy that was going in that direction...

I'm not saying that's a flawed decision, but it does mean that there's little that could be done about it in those conditions.

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