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Old May 30th, 2010, 10:36 PM   #4161
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I think that the N337 west of Wijhe illustrates best what I mean. I found that it's the most direct road between Deventer and Zwolle. There is also a highway alternative for that route (A1+A50+A28) which is longer, but drivers could be motivated to use that route because the N337 has a low speed limit.
Much longer. Most of Zwolle is south of A28, and all of Deventer is north of A1. The route between both centers is 58 km via motorway and 33 km via N337. Not a reasonable alternate route, especially considering N337 does only go briefly through two of the three towns en-route. You can drive from Zwolle to Deventer via N337 in 20 minutes from city limit to city limit, while the route via motorway takes at least 35 - 40 minutes.

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Old May 31st, 2010, 10:25 AM   #4162
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A2 or A12 near Utrecht in 1963.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 12:24 PM   #4163
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Public consultation for the improvement of A1 through " 't Gooi" (near Hilversum) started today.

You can find all documents here @ centrumpp.nl Click on "plantekeningen" to find drawings in the ZIP file.

Shoulder running will be added between exit Bussum and interchange Eemnes. This 4-lane motorway currently carries 105,000 vehicles per day and is severely congested, but there is few space for a real widening (2x4 would be best), so they opted for shoulder running as a short-term solution.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 02:24 PM   #4164
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I thought that your motorways are the most seriously congested in europe, but in a road-diary a hungarian truck driver (who drives in west-europe) always complains about the traffic jams on german motorways (and calls germany "stauland")...

whats the truth?
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 02:53 PM   #4165
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Relative to population, the Netherlands has far more congestion than Germany. Regular rush hours usually accumulate between 250 and 350 km of "file" at any given time. Germany usually has between 150 and 200 km of "stau", but one has to keep in mind those "baustellen" generate a lot of traffic jams that last long and have a very low flow.

Dutch traffic jams are more saturation-based, while German traffic jams are more roadwork-based. Delays are often worse in the latter.

Another issue in Germany seems to be the significant delays for truck traffic in a traffic jam, the so-called "LKW-stau". It often looks like the right lane is fully occupied by trucks and not moving at all, while there is some movement in the left lane with cars.

I think especially truckers are much worse off in Germany. The Netherlands has much stricter rules about the accepted level of congestion during roadworks, during bids, contestants are specified to keep their roadwork-related traffic congestion below a certain threshold. No more than 5% of the Dutch congestion is allowed to have the cause in road works, while this is 30% in Germany.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 03:20 PM   #4166
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Chris,

Has any highway project been cancelled/delayed in The Netherlands due to current economic crisis?
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 03:30 PM   #4167
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Not that I know of, but highway construction is a tiny portion of the Gross Domestic Product (only 0.25%*). Other countries like Spain and Portugal were closer to 2 - 2.5% (10 times more) of GDP.

* Highway construction: $ 2 billion annually, GDP close to $ 800 billion annually
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 10:49 PM   #4168
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A picture of the widened A2 near Abcoude. It has 10 lanes, and left and right shoulders. It has been a couple of years since we've seen continuous left shoulders on a Dutch motorway. Most of them (actually, only A4 had them if I am correct) were converted to driving lanes.

All 10 lanes will be opened during summer, however, the grand opening of the Utrecht land tunnel is still in doubt. Some sources say there has been a delay of 2 years, though national media hasn't picked it up yet. Maybe it's nothing more than a rumor.

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Old June 3rd, 2010, 03:34 AM   #4169
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Isn't the left shoulder also there as reserve as a possible future lane?
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AFAIK there should officially be a shoulder on a continuous 2Χ5 motorway in the Netherlands, but I'm not sure about that.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 10:06 AM   #4171
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It's busy down here, lot's of Germans coming around because of the good weather.

All the major Cross border Highways are jammed, especially around Arnhem.. Aperently Holiday-stau is'nt unknown here... :P
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 11:39 AM   #4172
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A picture of the widened A2 near Abcoude. It has 10 lanes...
wow, this is the same with as the north korean highway...

capitalism caught up with kommunism...

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Old June 3rd, 2010, 11:43 AM   #4173
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dutch vs. german jams...
wow, thats quite a complex issue.

thx for explanation.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 01:23 AM   #4174
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wow, this is the same with as the north korean highway...

capitalism caught up with kommunism...
The carriageway shown is not open to traffic yet. The other carriageway still has 2x3, you can see it on the left of the picture.

BTW: Those lightpoles are really HUGE.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 01:55 AM   #4175
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A2 or A12 near Utrecht in 1963.
Woops... Someone wasnt paying attention in that pic. (Car towing the caravan) Like here in BC, rather than pull off to a safe place, they just gotta create a tailback... AFAIK if the damage is really minor, you're allowed to pull off to a safe place, before swapping insurance info. At least that's how it works here in BC.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 07:14 PM   #4176
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An aerial video of the new 2x2 N302 near the city of Harderwijk.
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Old June 6th, 2010, 06:23 PM   #4177
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Another pic of the kick-ass A2
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How long is such a 5+5 lane stretch? And why does it have a hard shoulder on the left?
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Old June 6th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #4179
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The 2x5 section is 21 kilometers long. An additional local-express setup that has between 10 and 14 lanes will continue another 10 km south to interchange Oudenrijn (A12).

Left shoulders are strongly suggested at roads that have over 4 lanes per direction in case of breakdowns or accidents on the left lanes.
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Old June 6th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #4180
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The same A2 in 1982!
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