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Old June 16th, 2010, 11:11 PM   #4221
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but on that sign its 4 lanes trough traffic and 2 for local traffic, or am i seeing it wrong now
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Old June 16th, 2010, 11:55 PM   #4222
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The second exit lane tapers off the rightmost through lane just before the actual exit. In the old signage they did not show this situation, which meant that unless you were already familiar there, everyone was gonna push on to a single exit lane, only discovering at the last moment that they didn't have to merge into that one lane per se.
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Old June 17th, 2010, 01:07 AM   #4223
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but on that sign its 4 lanes trough traffic and 2 for local traffic, or am i seeing it wrong now
Yeah I think it will go like this:

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Otherwise trucks on the right lane have to cross two lanes to pass Utrecht as transit traffic which could create dangerous situations, so this is a common solution where you let through traffic merge to the left by moving up only one lane. Later the outer left lane is closed so there's only 3 lanes fpr transit traffic.
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Old June 17th, 2010, 05:27 PM   #4224
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well Dess it makes sence what u suggest i could be but then am thinking they are making a new bottleneck again, think best in my oponion is:

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But seems they wont do that, cus the new sign gives a other situation, witch is to bad i guess
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Old June 17th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #4225
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The sign shows a taper.

Like this:
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Old June 17th, 2010, 05:54 PM   #4226
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well Dess it makes sence what u suggest i could be but then am thinking they are making a new bottleneck again, think best in my oponion is:

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But seems they wont do that, cus the new sign gives a other situation, witch is to bad i guess
Scroll down to the video on this page:

http://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/wegen/...en_resultaten/

And fast forward the video to 4:55 there you will see the situation as it's going to be, luckily the 'taper' 2nd exit lane will be quite long so I think it will be fine and not a new bottleneck.

The same solution will be used on the other side at knooppunt Holendrecht. The only difference is that there is no taper, as the right lane of the A9 exit at Knooppunt Holendrecht is vormed by the onramp lane from exit Abcoude. So it looks like this:

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Old June 17th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #4227
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I really like this bridge. I'm a big fan of cable stayed bridges and I like the radical-looking ones like the Erasmus, but this one has a dignified look that contrasts well with its more-adventurous cousins.
http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/172809.jpg
Look carefully, there are two bridges. An older one in the back, with two central pylons and a new bridge with four pylons placed at the outside of the road deck.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 01:09 AM   #4228
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Look carefully, there are two bridges. An older one in the back, with two central pylons and a new bridge with four pylons placed at the outside of the road deck.
Indeed. My compliments apply to both bridges.

An informative sign. Now... if you Europeans would just get away from putting (in this case) the A2 E35 legend three times on the same freaking sign!! I'd be impressed.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 02:58 AM   #4229
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Question for the Dutch. Why is 's-Hertogenbosch called 's-Hertogenbosch? What does the 's mean and why isn't it capitalised?
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Old June 18th, 2010, 10:19 AM   #4230
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's is an abbreviation of the old Dutch word Des which means "of the" or "in the"

's-Gravenhage = Den Haag = The Hague
's-Hertogenbosch = Den Bosch

However the The Hague municipality wants to be called Den Haag on road signs, while Den Bosch keeps to it longer name.

Des Graven Hage means something like "the hedged gardens of the count" (graaf=count)
Des Hertogen Bosch means something like "the wood of the duke" (hertog=duke)

's is also used in:
's ochtends - in the morning
's middags - in the afternoon
's avonds - in the evening
's nachts - at night
's anderendaags (Flemish) - the next day

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Old June 18th, 2010, 10:24 AM   #4231
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I knew it about an abbreviations now I know meaning also. Bedankt
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An informative sign. Now... if you Europeans would just get away from putting (in this case) the A2 E35 legend three times on the same freaking sign!! I'd be impressed.
http://www.verkeerinbeeld.nl/images/...sbord-foto.jpg
This is not America, Major Tom, where you just have to guess which lane leads to which road number

I agree on the E-numbers though, the signs would be much better off without 'em.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 10:55 AM   #4233
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No, please don't remove E-numbers from signs!
This is the worst mistakes in country like Belgium. If you travel domestic you don't need them (but you already know net of motorway in your country) but if you travel international through many small countries like NL, B, L, CH, CZ, SK, etc. is definitely more handy and useful to use E-numbers though!
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Old June 18th, 2010, 10:57 AM   #4234
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This is not America, Major Tom, where you just have to guess which lane leads to which road number

I agree on the E-numbers though, the signs would be much better off without 'em.
so funny, to me that CA sign is crystal clear while the dutch sign appears somewhat convoluted!
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Old June 18th, 2010, 11:28 AM   #4235
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Old June 18th, 2010, 11:51 AM   #4236
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so funny, to me that CA sign is crystal clear while the dutch sign appears somewhat convoluted!
It's what you're used to (grow up with), I guess. To me it's the other way around.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 07:26 PM   #4237
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's is also used in:
's ochtends - in the morning etc.
Which of course used to be 'in den ochtend' using traditional Dutch written-language, which makes the argument go full-circle
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Old June 18th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #4238
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This is not America, Major Tom, where you just have to guess which lane leads to which road number

I agree on the E-numbers though, the signs would be much better off without 'em.
Actually, there was a point on I-95 in Philadelphia, years ago, where there were little signs reading "South I-95" (really, "South" over a shield) over each of the non-exiting lanes at an important exit. It's no longer there. Once I passed that point with an aunt in the car and she remarked that those signs were helpful. So (1) it's not only in Europe and (2) some people find it useful....
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Old June 18th, 2010, 08:42 PM   #4239
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This is not America, Major Tom, where you just have to guess which lane leads to which road number

I agree on the E-numbers though, the signs would be much better off without 'em.
I find that California sign perfectly comprehensible. :-P

[Edited because I was embarrassed that I'd begun two consecutive posts with "actually."]
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Old June 18th, 2010, 11:12 PM   #4240
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California sign looked perfectly clear to me even though I'm used to the Dutch ones Only thing that "bothers" me about them is the different font sizes, and possibly that it's not that clear to me what the "only" on the sign indicates, I have this feeling it's redudant information but maybe I'm wrong.

Then again on the new Dutch signs what bothers me is that a lone diagonal arrow looks so much different from the other arrows.

No sign style is perfect
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